DENVER shooting at batman premier
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Very sad
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ƑƦཇཇ☠ཀaʂ٥ท wrote:
Would you have drawn your gun?This is why I am always armed, even at the movies.
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Aurora Colorado? That's a town between the Denver Airport and Denver. I remember driving an airport shuttle through there when I went to a Denver wedding in 2005. Really sad
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Completely insane how messed up some people are
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LexSuede wrote:
Absolutely.ƑƦཇཇ☠ཀaʂ٥ท wrote:
Would you have drawn your gun?This is why I am always armed, even at the movies.
One of the scariest things for me is having an active shooter at my work. I am a teacher and it's my job to keep my kids safe. My wife and I were just talking about this last night. She works for a university and she has all types of people come in to her office for advising. Yesterday, she had an incident at work and felt very unsafe. Do to the fact that she works on a college campus, she has to leave her weapon either in the car or at home.
After yesterday's incident, I'm on my way to get her a taser because I'm afraid the the pepper spray she carries will no longer be effective.
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Carrying on a School campus is a misdemeanor (in Kentucky). If I can carry and know my gun won't be seen, I think it's an acceptable risk. That's just me though.
A tazer us a great alternative though. I've seen someone shot with one. It's amazing how effective they are.
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ƑƦཇཇ☠ཀaʂ٥ท wrote:
But aren't you afraid that you'd be mistaken for the shooter and be shot by another like you? Or a cop? Or that you shoot someone by accident?LexSuede wrote:
Absolutely.ƑƦཇཇ☠ཀaʂ٥ท wrote:
Would you have drawn your gun?This is why I am always armed, even at the movies.
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In not sure that adding more gunmen to this situation would help, im not saying the people on here who carry are irresponsible, you don't sound it, but i would place money on there being a higher casualty rate if there had been two or three people shooting it out.
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LexSuede wrote:
That's a possibility.ƑƦཇཇ☠ཀaʂ٥ท wrote:
But aren't you afraid that you'd be mistaken for the shooter and be shot by another like you? Or a cop? Or that you shoot someone by accident?LexSuede wrote:
Absolutely.ƑƦཇཇ☠ཀaʂ٥ท wrote:
Would you have drawn your gun?This is why I am always armed, even at the movies.
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WTF??? SOME PEOPLE KIDS!!!!
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ƑƦཇཇ☠ཀaʂ٥ท wrote:
But then the shooter is unable to kill so he gave his life for othersLexSuede wrote:
That's a possibility.ƑƦཇཇ☠ཀaʂ٥ท wrote:
But aren't you afraid that you'd be mistaken for the shooter and be shot by another like you? Or a cop? Or that you shoot someone by accident?LexSuede wrote:
Absolutely.ƑƦཇཇ☠ཀaʂ٥ท wrote:
Would you have drawn your gun?This is why I am always armed, even at the movies.
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OG Bennyb wrote:
In not sure that adding more gunmen to this situation would help
Also I heard they arrested two people.It's Possible that you're correct and we're wrong. However, someone on a shooting spree like that is only going to stop when they either: A, run out of ammo. B, are killed. That's the typical situation. If you can expedite situation B, the whole thing can be resolved quicker.
I wouldn't want to be in the situation to start with. Put me in that room and I'd bet I wouldn't fire a shot. The stars would have to align before I'd pull the trigger. But put enough people in that room, that think as I do, and someone would have had a shot.
Not that my 9mm hollow points would have done a thing against his armor, but it's still better than nothing. Maybe someone would have missed and hit his head...
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ƑƦཇཇ☠ཀaʂ٥ท wrote:
But not likely, an educated gun owner would know what to do in the situation.LexSuede wrote:
That's a possibility.ƑƦཇཇ☠ཀaʂ٥ท wrote:
But aren't you afraid that you'd be mistaken for the shooter and be shot by another like you? Or a cop? Or that you shoot someone by accident?LexSuede wrote:
Absolutely.ƑƦཇཇ☠ཀaʂ٥ท wrote:
Would you have drawn your gun?This is why I am always armed, even at the movies.
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The force from a few bullets to the chest might keep him at bay long enough to get him down on the ground and strip him of his weapons
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De Rick wrote:
Depending on the type of body armor he was wearing, this is unlikely. If he's wearing level IIIA for example, there's really not a handgun that will generate a fast enough speed and level of force to penetrate. And with that level of adrenaline, even direct shots wont stop him. You die from gunshots in two ways - you bleed to death (slow) or you take a direct hit to the heart or brain (fast).The force from a few bullets to the chest might keep him at bay long enough to get him down on the ground and strip him of his weapons
Regardless, I tend to agree that in a crowd of fleeing panicked people, more bullets being tossed down range is not necessarily the answer. A few of the guys couldve bull rushed him and pig piled him with better results than spraying bullets at him.
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so this guy is called james holmes, he is 24, and he went to colorado college or something like that. anybody know him?
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http://landing.newsinc.com/shared/video.html?freewheel=90051&sitesection=nydailynews&VID=23749888
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Cell phone footage of after math...people running out
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🌾Khal🌾 wrote:
If the cops were there at the start, more bullets would go down range guaranteed, and the outcome would have likely been much better. I don't think many would argue against that.Regardless, I tend to agree that in a crowd of fleeing panicked people, more bullets being tossed down range is not necessarily the answer. A few of the guys couldve bull rushed him and pig piled him with better results than spraying bullets at him.
Why do you think that a well trained and armed "civilian" would probably make things worse?
See the video of the older guy running 2 armed robbers out of an Internet cafe? Clearly he was untrained... But it still did the trick! :)
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ƑƦཇཇ☠ཀaʂ٥ท wrote:
You have a conceal carry permit? It's hard to get those in CA now days... Assuming you're not in CA.This is why I am always armed, even at the movies.
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🌾Khal🌾 wrote:
I believe the handgun you are looking for is the FN FiveseveN. With the proper ammo, it is very effective against body armor available to civilians.De Rick wrote:
Depending on the type of body armor he was wearing, this is unlikely. If he's wearing level IIIA for example, there's really not a handgun that will generate a fast enough speed and level of force to penetrate.The force from a few bullets to the chest might keep him at bay long enough to get him down on the ground and strip him of his weapons
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Brown🎵Note😲 wrote:
I'm all for well trained civilians acting when they need to do so. In this case, though, you don't necessarily have a backdrop where you can get shots off without possibly injurin bystanders. Anyone in law enforcement knows - always be certain of your target and beyond. Secondly, in this case, a civilian carrying a handgun would have been woefully outgunned. The suspect had an AR-15 rifle, a Remington 12 gauge, and a pair of .40 glock handguns. He was also wearing body armor, a Kevlar helmet, a Kevlar throat protector, and a gas mask. 71 people were shot - assuming he's missing more than hitting (shooting from behind a gas mask will do that), he must have been absolutely spraying bullets indiscriminately. Your subcompact .9mm isn't going to do anything helpful in this situation.🌾Khal🌾 wrote:
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Why the crap do people do this? Its complete insanity! So what if your having a bad day? Billions of people do everyday!
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12 dead 59 injured
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I live a few blocks from there, been there many times. Lots of friends went last night but not to that theater. Brings me chills watching this on TV. My heart goes out to all my neighbors and friends here in aurora.
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I am in Texas and my wife and I both carry.
(not directed at Tactical Mob - just making a statement)
I have been shooting my entire life and while I have never been directly involved in a situation remotely close to this, I have every confidence that I would have done everything within my power to put that shooter down. We can argue about weapons and tactics all day but the bottom line is, I refuse to be a victim. If throwing a few rounds his direction is enough to distract him, make him hesitate, or even redirect hit attention, maybe that is all that's needed to allow a few more people to survive. The worst thing anyone can do is to do nothing at all. (before I get hate messages, running from the scene in fear for your life IS doing something. Moving targets are much more difficult to hit as opposed to simply sitting and waiting for your time to come.)
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I discuss with my students each year and several times throughout the importance of paying attention to what is going on around them. They fully understand that whether it is another student, a rabid dog (this actually happened - i wrestled it to the ground with my coat and held it so the kids could get out of the area and send me help, or a highly frustrated, unstable parent, that I will put myself in harms way so that they may survive. We have discussed shooters in the building and the one thing we always talk about is that their safety is my number one priority and that if anything ever happens, they need to keep moving.
My thoughts and prayers go out to the families that were/are forever effected by that monster in the theater.
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Remember, he started at the side of the stage, and then went up on the stage.
He was wearing a gas mask, the projector shining on him, tear gas blocking his view...
I'd call that "ADVANTAGE: ARMED AUDIENCE"
It doesn't matter. Such a horrific night. I really don't feel like debating anything. I just wish he could have been stopped.
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ƑƦཇཇ☠ཀaʂ٥ท wrote:
Agree 100%.✂
running from the scene in fear for your life IS doing something.
✂During the Virginia Tech shooting, two second floor classrooms were at the end of the hall where the shooter was firing. One classroom of folks all hid under their desks. The other classroom had a professor who was a holocaust survivor (those who have witnessed evil are more apt to recognize it). He ordered his students to jump out the second floor window. Some got hurt jumping, but all survived. Of the class that hid under their desks, a dozen died.
Moral: RUN. If you must hide, grab an improvised weapon and be prepared to ambush and fight the shooter.
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This is crazy shit. I live in Ohio. My brother decided to go to it with me. Then he ordered tickets online so we could see it in aurora Ohio. But he mistakenly bought them for aurora CO. My brother could have saved 4 lived.
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