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True but urs n my shades of grey will be different as well right?
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I have experienced healing in my body. Financial increase when I needed it most. Comfort in the midst of trying situations. All because I believe that my faith in God (along with corresponding action) brought those things to pass and millions of others around the globe have experienced the same things.
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The argument that you cannot prove that that God doesn't exist is an old and tired one. You could use that to make a case for anything outlandish.
Can you prove the Tooth Fairy or Superman or Santa Claus does not exist ?
For people to make spurious claims then the onus is on them to prove their case, not anybody else wasting their time trying to prove otherwise. The reason I do not believe in a virgin birth is because I have never seen any medical evidence that this is physically possible. The reason I do not believe in the resurrection is because I have never seen any cases of people rising from the dead 3 days after they died. The reason I do not believe that God created the earth is because I have read and seen the millions of bits of evidence that support the notion of evolution.
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And the reason i do not believe in a merciful God is because I have never seen him and this world certainly shows no sign of someone supposedly looking after it. If he was then it would be hard to explain why he saw fit to inflict an earthquake on a country like Haiti, already one of the most impoverished and down at heel countries on the face of the planet. Of course proof here suggests tectonic plates but hey, let's not get bogged down in geological detail shall we.
Now give me some proof the other way please.
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Big Hank wrote:
Yes of course. My view is based on the likelihood of a god existing, given that proving such a being's non-existence is nigh impossibleTrue but urs n my shades of grey will be different as well right?
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Scroobius Pip wrote:
thats your opinion. I believe its nigh impossible that a god does exist. Even if their was one, i wouldnt care.Big Hank wrote:
Yes of course. My view is based on the likelihood of a god existing, given that proving such a being's non-existence is nigh impossibleTrue but urs n my shades of grey will be different as well right?
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Scroobius Pip wrote:
Big Hank wrote:
Yes of course. My view is based on the likelihood of a god existing, given that proving such a being's non-existence is nigh impossibleTrue but urs n my shades of grey will be different as well right?
See my previous posts. This is a cop out of an argument.
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Why do you assume that God caused the earthquake in Haiti? I agree that it was tectonic plates.
The proof that you seek can be found in the testimonies of Gods power all over the world.
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JCMC wrote:
Sorry I should have said I was an atheist; that might clear things upScroobius Pip wrote:
Big Hank wrote:
Yes of course. My view is based on the likelihood of a god existing, given that proving such a being's non-existence is nigh impossibleTrue but urs n my shades of grey will be different as well right?
See my previous posts. This is a cop out of an argument.
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Natedogg wrote:
Why do you assume that God caused the earthquake in Haiti? I agree that it was tectonic plates.
The proof that you seek can be found in the testimonies of Gods power all over the world.
Again, some examples of this proof would be welcome please.
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Natedogg wrote:
ok, so you belive that god created universe, all living creatures and is responsible for all of the miracles of nature, yet has nothing to do with natural disasters?Why do you assume that God caused the earthquake in Haiti? I agree that it was tectonic plates.
The proof that you seek can be found in the testimonies of Gods power all over the world.
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Qnio wrote:
i was wonderin about that myself.Natedogg wrote:
ok, so you belive that god created universe, all living creatures and is responsible for all of the miracles of nature, yet has nothing to do with natural disasters?Why do you assume that God caused the earthquake in Haiti? I agree that it was tectonic plates.
The proof that you seek can be found in the testimonies of Gods power all over the world.
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Qnio wrote:
Anyway, if God's responsible for the mechanics of the tectonic plates then surely he's responsible for the deaths of hundreds of thousands of Haitians?Natedogg wrote:
ok, so you belive that god created universe, all living creatures and is responsible for all of the miracles of nature, yet has nothing to do with natural disasters?Why do you assume that God caused the earthquake in Haiti? I agree that it was tectonic plates.
The proof that you seek can be found in the testimonies of Gods power all over the world.
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Jc, it's called the bible. It's been passed down since it was written. Of course I'm sure that it's version has been changed from time to time as generations passed it. Now if you say that how can we believe what's in the bible would be like saying that there was no roman empire or no Socrates or Plato or for that matter there was no mayans... Since there is no living eyewitnesses we trust that what we read that has been passed down as well as ancient ruins and the like.
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And why was it that during the devastation that followed Katrina in New Orleans that many more churches were destroyed than casinos or strip bars. Why would your God allow that to happen ?
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Big Hank wrote:
Are you saying you actually belive the Book of Genesis?Jc, it's called the bible. It's been passed down since it was written. Of course I'm sure that it's version has been changed from time to time as generations passed it. Now if you say that how can we believe what's in the bible would be like saying that there was no roman empire or no Socrates or Plato or for that matter there was no mayans... Since there is no living eyewitnesses we trust that what we read that has been passed down as well as ancient ruins and the like.
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This whole area for me is one of the more nonsensical things about God and religion (and it has some pretty stiff competition)
Referring back to the thread about the tragic act of violence that saw a young man killed for no reason, what followed was a request to send prayers and other religious sentiments to the family of the boy.
There was no mention whether the family are actually religious and would appreciate this in the first place but let's assume they are for a moment. So what we are saying is that all seeing and all powerful God will help them get through this tragic loss of a young life. What we are not saying is why is this same all powerful and all seeing God putting them through this terrible ordeal in the first place by allowing their son to die at all.
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Big Hank wrote:
do u really believe that whats his face was eaten by a fuckin whale? The bible wasnt even written by jesus' deciples or followers.Jc, it's called the bible. It's been passed down since it was written. Of course I'm sure that it's version has been changed from time to time as generations passed it. Now if you say that how can we believe what's in the bible would be like saying that there was no roman empire or no Socrates or Plato or for that matter there was no mayans... Since there is no living eyewitnesses we trust that what we read that has been passed down as well as ancient ruins and the like.
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Gtg we can discuss more tomorrow but as to why these things happen... I don't believe in predestination. God gave us free will to do what we will and live our lives either with or without him. I don't believe he allows things to happen as some master plan or doesn't allow things to occur. I believe he created and stepped back after Jesus died for our sins and that he helps us in our daily journey if asked through prayer. I can't convince anyone of this with a closed mind or heart but I know it in my soul. I was a USAF pilot in the past three "wars" and I know I wouldn't be typing this to u today if it wasn't for him giving me the mind and skill to survive n come home to my family
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Big Hank wrote:
u just contradicted yourself. If god doesnt interfere, how could he have given you the skills? You said it yorself, its all about free wil.Gtg we can discuss more tomorrow but as to why these things happen... I don't believe in predestination. God gave us free will to do what we will and live our lives either with or without him. I don't believe he allows things to happen as some master plan or doesn't allow things to occur. I believe he created and stepped back after Jesus died for our sins and that he helps us in our daily journey if asked through prayer. I can't convince anyone of this with a closed mind or heart but I know it in my soul. I was a USAF pilot in the past three "wars" and I know I wouldn't be typing this to u today if it wasn't for him giving me the mind and skill to survive n come home to my family
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Big Hank wrote:
Jc, it's called the bible. It's been passed down since it was written. Of course I'm sure that it's version has been changed from time to time as generations passed it. Now if you say that how can we believe what's in the bible would be like saying that there was no roman empire or no Socrates or Plato or for that matter there was no mayans... Since there is no living eyewitnesses we trust that what we read that has been passed down as well as ancient ruins and the like.
Well the Bible was written by dozens of different people over many hundreds of years - around the 12th century the version we know was completed. Not exactly a concise word of God when it takes 1200 odd years to put together.
And to say you believe absolutely in the Bible is pretty worrying as there is so much freaky stuff going on in there.
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Darth first the new testements were written by his disciples ie John Mathew etc.. Second I didn't contradict myself I said that he helps us through prayer. That's not interfering at all. That's helping u gather urself through strength, courage or whatever ur asking his help for.
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Big Hank wrote:
. I believe he created and stepped back after Jesus died for our sins and that he helps us in our daily journey if asked through prayer. I can't convince anyone of this with a closed mind or heart but I know it in my soul. I was a USAF pilot in the past three "wars" and I know I wouldn't be typing this to u today if it wasn't for him giving me the mind and skill to survive n come home to my family
Ok....some increasingly weird stuff going on in this post.
You believe in creationism for which there is no proof and I suppose this means you reject evolution for which there is massive proof ?
If Jesus helps people in their daily journey then why did he not help the killed boy or the hundreds of thousands of devoutly religious Haitians who also would have spoken to him through player ?
So you survived active military service through the intervention of God ? Does that mean all of the non-religious pilots were killed ?
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prayer not player
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Big Hank wrote:
well saidJcmc that's what the whole religion argument boils down to isn't it. You can't prove that it doesn't exist just as I can't prove that it does. It all falls back on what each person believes. As long ad people are tolerant with each other no matter what side ur on, I believe we can coexist. But I will never stop answering questions and ministering to people if they ask me about religion.
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JCMC wrote:
I can confirm they are christians who believe. My brother in law is a youth pastor at a church and his family is a Christian based family.This whole area for me is one of the more nonsensical things about God and religion (and it has some pretty stiff competition)
Referring back to the thread about the tragic act of violence that saw a young man killed for no reason, what followed was a request to send prayers and other religious sentiments to the family of the boy.
There was no mention whether the family are actually religious and would appreciate this in the first place but let's assume they are for a moment. So what we are saying is that all seeing and all powerful God will help them get through this tragic loss of a young life. What we are not saying is why is this same all powerful and all seeing God putting them through this terrible ordeal in the first place by allowing their son to die at all.
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Concerning this debate all i really have to say is if it could be proved that God is real as is heaven and hell everyone would be a christian. But we all have freedom to believe in whatever we wish. Our country and our God (whichever one you worship or none at all if u don't believe).Christianity is based heavily on faith. I cannot sit here and prove to you that God exists, but through my life I believe with all of my heart that he does. And nothing u can say will make me believe differently. And I doubt anything I can say will convince u that he does exist. That's fine and that's your choice. From my perspective unbelievers are no less than me they are just people with different views
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Big Hank wrote:
oh well. I believe god is a myth that people cling to to help them feel as though someone out there is watching over them.Darth first the new testements were written by his disciples ie John Mathew etc.. Second I didn't contradict myself I said that he helps us through prayer. That's not interfering at all. That's helping u gather urself through strength, courage or whatever ur asking his help for.
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Nah, I saw god once. He had these eight arms and he just kinda took care of stuff.
I think he did have a leigh on through
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So silly these sheep. You ignorance to rational thinking is an insult. God is a delusion shared by too many and it is sad that there so many sick people out there that need an idea such as god just to get through their lives. 🙏
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