Corruption, Greed, Politics, etc
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Money and influence help make ppl richer!! The more you have the more you can get. Nothing truer than money makes money!!
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__Don_Line__ wrote:
No, I was yelling at B.Λdོdོi wrote:
Am I one of "those un-informed"?It's unfortunate when a thread like this is taken over by emotional arguement. Arguing politics with your emotions is lax and really it's what the general population does. Those un-informed.
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Mighty Shaun wrote:
😳 That's a terrifying proposition. The government deciding how much a company should profit? You do realize you'd be sucking more money away just to pay for the huge amount of inefficient beauocracy this would require, right?To do this the government should impose a max net profit level (based on several factors so different for all company sizes) the surplus is then divided up between the work force. IE a small IT company is allowed to profit £10 million pounds. It makes a net profit of £15 million pounds so must give £5 million extra to it's staff. The only trouble is we might get companies fudging the books to look like they havnt profited as much as they have. This will need monitoring by a new gov body who will impose fines etc and that the surplus goes all the way to the bottom and not taken solely by the top guys in the companies. This would also slow the giant corps taking over the world and encourage more competition.
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*bureaucracy
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Mystery wrote: 😳 That's a terrifying proposition. The government deciding how much a company should profit? You do realize you'd be sucking more money away just to pay for the huge amount of inefficient beauocracy this would require, right?
My thoughts exactly. One of our biggest problems at the moment is that the government thinks it knows business better than business. Get them out of the boardroom and back on the hill to do what they are supposed to do. -
The government that would implicate it would not be as bureautic ;-)
The problem is the average Joe needs more money and I was just thinking of ways this could happen. Just as far fetched, i guess, is to double the minimum wage.
The trouble is the NDI of the average consumer has dropped to very little. In the uk we have had a very open accepted policy to borrow money. It is encouraged to fuel growth by buying new cars, property etc then the price of everything else goes up around us and we find ourselves in tough times. The gov is stuck because we really need to borrow to grow but there is not enough NDI to borrow anymore under stricter lending conditions. Shall the minimum wage double and government guidelines be set on how much businesses / ppl can borrow? We just need more £££ somehow :-/ and of course if we were paid more we would pay more tax which would also help the gov pay it's own bills -
Communism is for people that don't want Tonje a person, but a part of something bigger, a part of a community.
Communism Doesen't work, history have shown it several times,and it won't work. You are a person, not a ragdoll!
Sure it is a big diffrence b'tween lower and higher class! But if we just make everyone a "one" it woulden't go around.
Do You want to be given a little box to live in and a task to do, and let everything Else get worked out by some random dude who somehow got to power? I sure woulden't, I want to be a human...
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Who am I to complain?
Norway have is the second smallest country in Europe (after Luxembourg) and the second richest country in the World (also after Luxembourg) -
@ Mighty Shaun: I find the suggestion of raising minimum wage more acceptable than imposing a max profit margin. However, it's all so intertwined. If companies have to pay their employees more, then the cost of their products/services will most likely need to rise or they may go out of business. (I think of daycare centers, since they often pay workers minimum wage. However, they are hardly raking in a huge profit.)
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Ill turn to what I often turn to...
Are You successful only if You have 30 billion dollars and the entire World knows who You are?
Doing something You love, having friends and family that cheer You on and having an average economy is good enough.
Money is the root to joy, poor people say...
But, the higher class has higher suicide rate.
Odds are, if You have 100 million dollars, You are more likely to commit suicide then if You had 100 thousand -
Ugh, I'd hate it if the entire world knew who I was.
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🔥PRagon🔥ADD ARF wrote:
Forgetting Monaco?Who am I to complain?
Norway have is the second smallest country in Europe (after Luxembourg) and the second richest country in the World (also after Luxembourg) -
Ξиigma wrote:
Might?🔥PRagon🔥ADD ARF wrote:
Forgetting Monaco?Who am I to complain?
Norway have is the second smallest country in Europe (after Luxembourg) and the second richest country in the World (also after Luxembourg)
All sites I checked said we have the second richest country per capita.
Monaco is so small 15 poor people would nearly make the whole country poor per capita :P -
I'm from Australia so maybe you will find this irrelevant as you're mainly talking about the US but I would of thought our tax system was similar..
Over here, the more taxable income an individual or company makes then the more they get taxed on that income. On one end of the scale (as an individual) if I only make 6000 p.a. or less of taxable income there's nil tax on that income.
Other end of the scale -- if I made (as an individual) 180k+ p.a. then I would be taxed the following way: 54,550 plus 45c for each $1 over 180,000.
Seems fair to me. If I go ahead and make 250k in a year then I would be taxed nearly 50% of the income above 180k (that's eating away my cream on top!)
What's the point of earning it if my accountant can't find ways to get tax breaks that my government says I could be eligible for?
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If what your talking about is big companies partaking in tax-evasion then that is illegal and I'm sure the US authorities deal to such offenders as they become aware of their activities.
Lastly if my bank was in debt and I had large investments with said bank then that would imply that they have spent or invested my money elsewhere (as they have done with all their investors monies) so if they are in debt and don't get a bail-out then what happens to my investments? They dissappear when my bank goes broke and I never see it again. I suppose what they're doing is kind of like a business embezzling an investor's money but the banks are allowed to do it-- immoral to most of us but certainly not illegal.
If a huge mega company is about to go bust and I work for that company or my small business relies on contracts from that company and said company doesn't get a bail-out then what happens to my business or job? Same as my investment with the bank -- it does a whodini.
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🔥PRagon🔥ADD ARF wrote:
Ill turn to what I often turn to...
You on and having an average economy is good enough.
Money is the root to joy, poor people say...
But, the higher class has higher suicide rate.
Odds are, if You have 100 million dollars, You are more likely to commit suicide then if You had 100 thousandPpl are at the extent of feeling like they are slaves. Working for the roof over their head and food on the table. This is why the Greek ppl are on the streets! Money itself does not grant happiness but apart from emotions it is the most common means to happiness. You like driving? Money. You like nice clothes? Money .all material things yes money is needed. We are out of the hippy love days man that is why this down turn is bad. If we were all about love then food on the table would be good enough and we wouldn't care.
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Mystery wrote:
@ Mighty Shaun: If companies have to pay their employees more, then the cost of their products/services will most likely need to rise or they may go out of business. (I think of daycare centers, since they often pay workers minimum wage. However, they are hardly raking in a huge profit.)
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That is why I was trying to focus on the profit.
If I went self employed as a carpenter and the government said I was allowed to net £50,000 net profit, so this is after my expenses and my drawings I would be happy that my business could growby a max of £50K PA. Slow steady expansion rather than this boom and bust system -
Mighty Shaun wrote:
But your Off the Streets with an income :)That is why I was trying to focus on the profit.
If I went self employed as a carpenter and the government said I was allowed to net £50,000 net profit, so this is after my expenses and my drawings I would be happy that my business could growby a max of £50K PA. Slow steady expansion rather than this boom and bust system -
Mighty Shaun wrote:
The government should never decide how much companies are allowed to profit or where to spend those profits.That is why I was trying to focus on the profit.
If I went self employed as a carpenter and the government said I was allowed to net £50,000 net profit, so this is after my expenses and my drawings I would be happy that my business could growby a max of £50K PA. Slow steady expansion rather than this boom and bust system -
Mystery wrote:
And corporations should NEVER be allowed to put their hand in politics but that's where we are now. Hell there's even a corporation that writes legislation now for the conservative think tanks. No thank you!Mighty Shaun wrote:
The government should never decide how much companies are allowed to profit or where to spend those profits.That is why I was trying to focus on the profit.
If I went self employed as a carpenter and the government said I was allowed to net £50,000 net profit, so this is after my expenses and my drawings I would be happy that my business could growby a max of £50K PA. Slow steady expansion rather than this boom and bust system -
Λdོdོi wrote:
It's crazy that the conservatives get away with everything these days. We should all be as angelic as the lib's.....Mystery wrote:
And corporations should NEVER be allowed to put their hand in politics but that's where we are now. Hell there's even a corporation that writes legislation now for the conservative think tanks. No thank you!Mighty Shaun wrote:
The government should never decide how much companies are allowed to profit or where to spend those profits.That is why I was trying to focus on the profit.
If I went self employed as a carpenter and the government said I was allowed to net £50,000 net profit, so this is after my expenses and my drawings I would be happy that my business could growby a max of £50K PA. Slow steady expansion rather than this boom and bust system -
ㄖ ㄩ Ց Ϊ ㄹ wrote:
Hehe. Wankers. 😱Λdོdོi wrote:
It's crazy that the conservatives get away with everything these days. We should all be as angelic as the lib's.....Mystery wrote:
And corporations should NEVER be allowed to put their hand in politics but that's where we are now. Hell there's even a corporation that writes legislation now for the conservative think tanks. No thank you!Mighty Shaun wrote:
The government should never decide how much companies are allowed to profit or where to spend those profits.That is why I was trying to focus on the profit.
If I went self employed as a carpenter and the government said I was allowed to net £50,000 net profit, so this is after my expenses and my drawings I would be happy that my business could growby a max of £
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There's no point in arguing politics; it doesn't go anywhere. I don't have the solution to the economic problem & doubt there is a simple one, unfortunately.
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Mystery wrote:
Simple solution. All tax dollars go to Belial. Guarantee that'll solve ally economic problemsThere's no point in arguing politics; it doesn't go anywhere. I don't have the solution to the economic problem & doubt there is a simple one, unfortunately.
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The solution for the Uk is to stop sending all work abroad, and actually manufacture stuff. You can't make any economic growth selling insurance and compare of insurances to people.
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Quite honestly, I think there may be a small uprising in American soon. I think if these Occupy protests (semi support them) continue to escalate, we may have a small uprising. We've got corrupt politicians, famous people getting away with crimes that someone else would be jailed for, and then ( I don't know to many details so correct me if I'm wrong) obamas being a wuss with this whole jobs plan that hes not ven gonna get approval for cu he knows they'll turn it down
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I think we just need a huge change in government. If the founding fathers saw our government today, they'd be sickened.
Also another note, in school I am studying the revolution, and I realized that history repeats itself. The British taxed us because of money they spent on a war. That's happening in the US. There were corrupt government officials. Look at the Boston massacre! That's what the occupy movements are looking like! I feel soon, there will be an uprising. As Jude law's part in contagion shows, one person can do 1 wrong thing and everything goes crappy
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