A question for deep thinkers and simple thinkers!
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❂иэЋцмв฿дѕтдя₫ wrote:
That begs the question. I exist because I exist is a victiously circular statement and forces the question how do you get from thinking to I exist? If people lived by this standard then I would assert that there would be no order thus the justification of many things we thought to be wrong. Get what I mean? ^.^₲ʉṣ,
Reality is a function of belief. "I think therefor I am." Belief is wholly dependent upon choice. Laws, as a man-made construct, also are dependent upon choice. There are no absolutes, no laws, unless we accept them as such. Acceptance is belief; acceptance is choice.
And, as my friend brownie noted, this all ultimately is irrelevant because, in the hourglass of time, humanity's existence equals less than a grain of sand. Make a choice, believe and be happy.
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₳ʉ₲ʉṣϮḭ₦ê (₳ⓑ€) wrote:
I guess you could debate if it was relevant to the question, but it wasn't intended as an answer. I'd have to think to answer (I think?) Lol.Mystery wrote:
I assume that your comment to sac was relavent to the question. There were some responses relavent to yours as well₳ʉ₲ʉṣϮḭ₦ê (₳ⓑ€) wrote:
I was responding to SacDaddy, not answering the question.Mystery wrote:
This theory begs the question. I exist therefore I exist... Circular reasoning and proves nothingSacDaddy wrote:
Solipsism?Been down this road... Spent like a year convinced we were living in a simulation... I only think simple thoughts now...
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nope im only a freshie lol but im trying to get it.
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YOU wrote:
im trying so hard to break down all these words lol. ineed time to thinknope im only a freshie lol but im trying to get it.
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also in a way i think there is no such thing as time i mean if we are no much then a grain of sand it must end if there is a grain of sand. but whats the ultimate timer for. whats the countdown leading to. if not there is no time because it is always there and never never will stop. we as living beings make it we made clocks that tell time but only on planet earth is time a thing because we made it what it is. so when humans die out what will it be...
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Humans created the word "time" & made clocks but time "exists" whether we do or not.
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Mystery wrote:
with what proof. if were gone then what. how do uk were are real.Humans created the word "time" & made clocks but time "exists" whether we do or not.
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₳ʉ₲ʉṣϮḭ₦ê (₳ⓑ€) wrote: So your saying we need to set aside logic,math and science to live out reality? Why should anyone accept that kind of thinking? Thanks! Good perspectives my friends!!!
Is that what I said? I don't think so. I said it's a load of self-important bunk. We are too pathetically stupid to understand it all. You especially so. The models we create are flawed, tiny, incomplete, and certainly do not even begin to describe reality itself.
Logic, mathematics, philosophy... They exist to fill the gaps in our understanding with approximations and vague analogies.
I said nothing of science. Entirely different discipline.
Zoom out. Your thinking seems to be human-centric. Disassociate, damn you!
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Kozy wrote:
Do you honestly believe a ltd human can know/answer all those questions--or needs to? "Without going further into detail" I'm glad I'm alive and have the option to cap turf whilst watching a flick knowing that I really don't have to worry to much over that pine tree we mercilessly axed, stripped, and burned to death on Wednesday. 💋💋Karma💋 wrote:
What is life then? Plants are alive but don't have a mind, or do they and we just dont realize its something else completely that we dont understand because there is no brain. They search out water and grow towards the sun. Do dogs and cats have spirits? What about insects? Are there insects in heaven? Or only people go to heaven?Kozy, as someone who believes in an afterlife (without going further into detail)...
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i❇ᎠεᎦτףφλ wrote:
Begs the questioni think there for i am
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₳ʉ₲ʉṣϮḭ₦ê (₳ⓑ€) wrote:
Articulate or perish.i❇ᎠεᎦτףφλ wrote:
Begs the questioni think there for i am
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Mystery wrote:
But what we find time to be is the earth spinning in as gravity and magnetic forces hold it together- either one can accept that time is limited or it's unlimited would be a good thread to put down! Good thinking everyone!Humans created the word "time" & made clocks but time "exists" whether we do or not.
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💋Karma💋 wrote:
Sure! Or else why would one die on the hill advocating 1+1=2?Kozy wrote:
Do you honestly believe a ltd human can know/answer all those questions--or needs to? "Without going further into detail" I'm glad I'm alive and have the option to cap turf whilst watching a flick knowing that I really don't have to worry to much over that pine tree we mercilessly axed, stripped, and burned to death on Wednesday. 💋💋Karma💋 wrote:
What is life then? Plants are alive but don't have a mind, or do they and we just dont realize its something else completely that we dont understand because there is no brain. TheyKozy, as someone who believes in an afterlife (without going further into detail)...
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but what we find time to be is the earth spinning in as gravity and magnetic forces hold it together- either one can accept that time is limited or it's unlimited would be a good thread to put down! Good thinking everyone! say time is unlimited. then idek just think will it be a cycle? big bang, sun dies, we die. life again, sun dies we die. this is why we are not a smart we dont have enough time to eveolve far enough to know what will and what did happen.. we cant out live a stars death or other catastraphiesies.so we will never have enough time to be truley genious and know of things we dont.and think every where this happens. odds are there are more things out there if space goes on forever(which it does or what would be there?) a square? trapping us in? lol we are animals in a container.
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₳ʉ₲ʉṣϮḭ₦ê (₳ⓑ€) wrote:
Our pines are more likely to screaming the digits of Pi or Fibonacci numbers or something--things are just not normal around here. Pretty sure some of them solve large polynomials given the amount of time my grandfather spent out there.💋Karma💋 wrote:
Sure! Or else why would one die on the hill advocating 1+1=2?Kozy wrote:
Do you honestly believe a ltd human can know/answer all those question--or needs to? "Without going further into detail" I'm glad I'm alive and have the option to cap turf whilst watching a flick knowing that I really don't have to worry to much over that pine tree we mercilessly axed, stripped, and burned to death on Wednesday. 💋💋Karma💋 wrote:
...etc..Kozy, as someone who believes in an afterlife (without going further into detail)...
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bye🎵 wrote:
Lol. Ohh I would beg to differ! ^.^₳ʉ₲ʉṣϮḭ₦ê (₳ⓑ€) wrote: So your saying we need to set aside logic,math and science to live out reality? Why should anyone accept that kind of thinking? Thanks! Good perspectives my friends!!!
Is that what I said? I don't think so. I said it's a load of self-important bunk. We are too pathetically stupid to understand it all. You especially so. The models we create are flawed, tiny, incomplete, and certainly do not even begin to describe reality itself.
Logic, mathematics, philosophy... They exist to fill the gaps in our understanding with approximations and vague analogies.
I said nothing of science. Entirely different discipline.
Zoom out. Your thinking seems to be human-centric. Disassociate, damn you!
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YOU wrote:
sorry for spelling evevolve, i ment evolve and btw i hav terrible spelling for all those who i said i won spelling be championship. lolbut what we find time to be is the earth spinning in as gravity and magnetic forces hold it together- either one can accept that time is limited or it's unlimited would be a good thread to put down! Good thinking everyone! say time is unlimited. then idek just think will it be a cycle? big bang, sun dies, we die. life again, sun dies we die. this is why we are not a smart we dont have enough time to eveolve far enough to know what will and what did happen.. we cant out live a stars death or other catastraphiesies.so we will never have enough time to be truley genious and know of things we dont.and think every where this happens. odds are there are more things out there if space goes on forever(which it does or what would be there?) a square? trapping us in? lol we are animals in a container.
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i❇ᎠεᎦτףφλ wrote:
What?Mystery wrote:
with what proof. if were gone then what. how do uk were are real.Humans created the word "time" & made clocks but time "exists" whether we do or not.
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focus on my new post on this page its better. kinda
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Mystery wrote:
i❇ᎠεᎦτףφλ wrote:
What?Mystery wrote:
with what proof. if were gone then what. how do uk were are real.Humans created the word "time" & made clocks but time "exists" whether we do or not.
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₳ʉ₲ʉṣϮḭ₦ê (₳ⓑ€) wrote: Lol. Ohh I would beg to differ! ^.^
You call that begging? You can beg better than that.There comes a time in every earnest pursuit of cosmological knowledge when we realize that we are all morons, humbled by time and space.
Ancient Greeks have mention in this thread. Do you find it interesting that we have come no further than they have?
The universe is absolute. Our "laws" are not. We don't understand our universe, or even our own intelligence. This is the main problem for engineers working on artificial intelligence... Nobody even knows what intelligence is.
Every logical construct is simply a guestimation at universal truth, in a reduced and extremely simplified form so that our feeble brains can begin to predict outcomes in the unknown reality we live in.
Our universe exists. Our models of it are fiction.
The fact that you haven't yet reached this conclusion, and you stand smug in your arrogance amuses me.
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₳ʉ₲ʉṣϮḭ₦ê (₳ⓑ€) wrote:
We imagine them into existence in our minds. Imagination is hardly an absolute.What do you believe?
Do the Laws of logic exist and are they absolute?
There. That's as close to yes/no you will get from me.
Please feel free to consult your chart of logical fallacies. Imagination on paper is still make believe.
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👆Grab hold of that moron part with two hands and hang on...the more you're aware that there's stuff out there to be aware of, the more of a moron you realize you are.
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bye🎵 wrote:
We aren't talking about we don't know, we talking about what we DO know. Lol₳ʉ₲ʉṣϮḭ₦ê (₳ⓑ€) wrote:
We imagine them into existence in our minds. Imagination is hardly an absolute.What do you believe?
Do the Laws of logic exist and are they absolute?
There. That's as close to yes/no you will get from me.
Please feel free to consult your chart of logical fallacies. Imagination on paper is still make believe.
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bye🎵 wrote:
Smug and arrogance is irelavant to the issue.₳ʉ₲ʉṣϮḭ₦ê (₳ⓑ€) wrote:
We imagine them into existence in our minds. Imagination is hardly an absolute.What do you believe?
Do the Laws of logic exist and are they absolute?
There. That's as close to yes/no you will get from me.
Please feel free to consult your chart of logical fallacies. Imagination on paper is still make believe.
And making that accusation I'd say is pretty arrogant as well.Now I think what your doing is dividing the concept of "law" facultys with "absoluteness" how can you have a "law" without it being absolute? That is my question to you. I think Im understanding what your saying but I would disagree that these "laws" come from man to begin with. Thanks!
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💋Karma💋 wrote:
Haha in that I'd probably agree. But we aren't talking about what we don't know, we are talking about something's we do know.👆Grab hold of that moron part with two hands and hang on...the more you're aware that there's stuff out there to be aware of, the more of a moron you realize you are.
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Comment just on the tidbit about someone claiming 1+1=6....
I trust mankinds general acceptance of reality, my own perception of life. I hold true to many morals equivalent to christian's, because I think they are prerequisite for man's well being. I believe that 1+1=2. I haven't read the entire thread, but 9 out of 10 very different ideas here are equally valid- because they transcend your and my ability to determine what is and is not. Because the subject of our discussion transcends our minds, if I claim to know anything about any boundary of reality, logic, or afterlife, etc, I am a fool, and claim to be a deity. I am all for pushing boundaries of knowledge. But how much further could we better our existence if we talked about the validity of, say the Golden Rule, as a desirable guideline for all to live by? Instead of seizing every opportunity to identify and criticize people who we deem to be less intelligent than ourselves? -
₳ʉ₲ʉṣϮḭ₦ê (₳ⓑ€) wrote: Smug and arrogance is irelavant to the issue.
Laws come only from man, and can be incorrect.
And making that accusation I'd say is pretty arrogant as well.Now I think what your doing is dividing the concept of "law" facultys with "absoluteness" how can you have a "law" without it being absolute? That is my question to you. I think Im understanding what your saying but I would disagree that these "laws" come from man to begin with. Thanks!
Which is why they stopped making laws in science long ago. They are man made and can be wrong. Science makes no law. Only bodies of knowlege called theory. There is no law, but only reality that is beyond complete comprehension.
Logic and mathematics are no more real than a toy train set is an actual railroad.
Reality exists without us. Laws applied to reality do not.
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₳ʉ₲ʉṣϮḭ₦ê (₳ⓑ€) wrote:
I know that in the grand scheme of things I know very little.bye🎵 wrote:
We aren't talking about we don't know, we talking about what we DO know. Lol₳ʉ₲ʉṣϮḭ₦ê (₳ⓑ€) wrote:
We imagine them into existence in our minds. Imagination is hardly an absolute.What do you believe?
Do the Laws of logic exist and are they absolute?
There. That's as close to yes/no you will get from me.
Please feel free to consult your chart of logical fallacies. Imagination on paper is still make believe.
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💀Ƭʊ٣ғ🌹ཞ∉λ༲∉/⁀💀™ wrote:
That makes sense. I'd continue that the law of identity the law of non contrdiction and the law of excluded middle are 3 very strong laws that are absolute and universal and are not subject to man (subject to objective opinion). It's simple to talk about what is right and wrong but before we can do that kind of thinking we have to undergo the laws of logic and assume our assertion to true. We trust it before we come to the conclusion... It's a very simple concept.Comment just on the tidbit about someone claiming 1+1=6....
I trust mankinds general acceptance of reality, my own perception of life. I hold true to many morals equivalent to christian's, because I think they are prerequisite for man's well being. I believe that 1+1=2. I haven't read the entire thread, but 9 out of 10 very different ideas here are
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