Did god create the devil?
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💀OBAMANATION💀 wrote:
Fuckin eh!!!Mr. Wallace wrote:
See. I knew da Jehovah Witness cats needed some1 to take to. Next time get them to down load TW, add U as the culprit, get Ur 5 don points and they can talk to Mr. Wallace. 👆👆👆👆Neither exist, I hope nobody wastes too much of their time on earth believing that crap.
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slugboy wrote:
I read aaaaall about it in my special bookRead the following and see how mental I sound.
As for me I believe in flying unicorns. That is all and I hope you all come to the truth and reside in fairyland one day.
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Chazzo wrote:
I hope you don't make any real decisions based on what an old book says. Religion is belief based on other people's beliefs. I hope people actually think for themselves.As for me I believe in Jesus Christ. That is all and I hope you all come to the truth and reside in heaven one day.
There have been many different religions besides Christianity, that says they have a son born of a virgin on 12/25. The bible has so many of the same stories that can be found in writings much earlier than the bible.Watch the documentary "religulous" if you want to see some controversial questions asked to several different people from a few different religions.
You really think god exists? It's obviously more important to part the sea to walk through than to stop a tsunami or even hitler?
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I've never understood why people insist that you must believe in science OR in God. I have no trouble believing in both. Do I understand how everything fits together, no. No one understands everything. Why does each side feel so threatened if the other doesn't agree with them?
@krazi - it doesn't say only the pure go to Heaven. If that were the case, no one would go to Heaven. Whether you believe in God, science, ant farms, or unicorns, no one is perfect.
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Mystery wrote:
I think the fight between the 2 sides is between structured religion and science, rather than ones beliefs and science.I've never understood why people insist that you must believe in science OR in God. I have no trouble believing in both. Do I understand how everything fits together, no. No one understands everything. Why does each side feel so threatened if the other doesn't agree with them?
@krazi - it doesn't say only the pure go to Heaven. If that were the case, no one would go to Heaven. Whether you believe in God, science, ant farms, or unicorns, no one is perfect.
Structured religion sees science as a threat to it's control structure, they feel if people see they are wrong on one thing they might be wrong on others and are more concerned with bolstering their #'s rather than making sure the spiritually of their members is up. -
Hence th waged battle on science throughout the centuries
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Mystery wrote:
Thats what I was trying to say but everyone tip toed around my actual question. Why can't god have created evolution?I've never understood why people insist that you must believe in science OR in God. I have no trouble believing in both. Do I understand how everything fits together, no. No one understands everything. Why does each side feel so threatened if the other doesn't agree with them?
@krazi - it doesn't say only the pure go to Heaven. If that were the case, no one would go to Heaven. Whether you believe in God, science, ant farms, or unicorns, no one is perfect.
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It's more a question of why would he, and then lie about it
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Thanks Troggy, that makes more sense, sadly. It doesn't explained why the science side gets so defensive though.
I'm not convinced God didn't create evolution. Just because it isn't in the bible, doesn't mean He lied about it either. Clearly He didn't feel the need to share every detail of every little thing & how it works. We probably wouldn't understand it anyway. I certainly don't think God is opposed to science. He gave us brains with the expectation that we use them.
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A lie by omission is still a lie. Plus the progression of lifes appearance on earth is at odds with that as written in genesis (I'm ignoring the 7days issue). So it's either wrong and not the word of god, or he was telling porkies.
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BigBK wrote:
Evolution and powers of intelligence are at work right now and always will be I believe,an I believe in both mystery,I see science must see things as they try to prove or disprove them,as I said I see science as humans way to try understand that which we known has been happening forever,Mystery wrote:
Thats what I was trying to say but everyone tip toed around my actual question. Why can't god have created evolution?I've never understood why people insist that you must believe in science OR in God. I have no trouble believing in both. Do I understand how everything fits together, no. No one understands everything. Why does each side feel so threatened if the other doesn't agree with them?
@krazi - it doesn't say only the pure go to Heaven. If that were the case, no one would go to Heaven. Whether you believe in God, science, ant farms, or unicorns, no one is perfect.
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Like someone said if god exists he gave us this brain with the expectation we use it. Very well said. We've figured out how things work and have a much better grasp of science then human minds did thousands of years ago. Then a concept like evolution hadn't really even been thought about. The good book has Bern re written a thousand times and no one commenting here has actually read the real book (unless you can read thousand year old Hebrew dialect). Point is, it was written by man not god...if we couldn't wrap our heads around a concept two thousand years ago it wouldn't be in this book. We've come along way...time for a modern intelligent perspective of religion...time for a new book
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Not new book,but new interpretation! And we do know alot more about science aboutthe details and in general,but the key factors to life an even planets in space etc we knew thousands of years ago,we lost the information or was tampered with,we all have certain capabilities I believe, look at some ancient civilisations ,it will blow u mind,and these people lived in diff sides of planet and thousands years apart some aswell,yet the story echoes ,even the bible is just re written,we focus on independent religions it's all the same
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If the Sumerians are to be believed maybe there is diff gods? If the ananuki was there gods who were just aliens who created man,maybe there was diff aliens that tampered with us an we call each god? Who knows? But where did ther come from? There are aboriginal cave painting in australia that are thousands n thousands year old and they clearly depict human like beings coming from the sky? These at so called primitive man? So where did the concept come from?
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slugboy wrote:
A LIE by omission is still a lie; however, omitting details out of some things does make them lies. For example, if I was telling you about my day, but neglected to tell you I had found & picked up a penny on my way home (because it seemed inconsequential) you would call that a lie? We don't always have time to tell every detail of everything that happens.A lie by omission is still a lie. Plus the progression of lifes appearance on earth is at odds with that as written in genesis (I'm ignoring the 7days issue). So it's either wrong and not the word of god, or he was telling porkies.
Are you ignoring the "7 day issue" because it's inconvenient, or because you don't believe it. Choosing to ignore things because they are inconvenient isn't really a good argument.
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Mystery wrote:
I like the way you explain things mystery,slugboy wrote:
A LIE by omission is still a lie; however, omitting details out of some things does make them lies. For example, if I was telling you about my day, but neglected to tell you I had found & picked up a penny on my way home (because it seemed inconsequential) you would call that a lie? We don't always have time to tell every detail of everything that happens.A lie by omission is still a lie. Plus the progression of lifes appearance on earth is at odds with that as written in genesis (I'm ignoring the 7days issue). So it's either wrong and not the word of god, or he was telling porkies.
Are you ignoring the "7 day issue" because it's inconvenient, or because you don't believe it. Choosing to ignore things because they are inconvenient isn't really a good argument.
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God created Lucipher and Lucipher was God's most influential angel and soon he turned and God cast him and all his followers to Hell.
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Dr.HaK wrote:
Everyone must die eventually, or life is meaningless. Without death, our life would keep going on and on and we could not enjoy it for the small time we have.Fun fact: God killied thousands and thousands in the old testament while the devil only killed one (because God said he could). So, whos the evil one?
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Primitive people created both god and the devil to attempt to explain things they didn't understand.
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The Bible was the greatest story ever written but I like to read more believable books like Dr.Seus
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YOU wrote:
Dang, somehow the NOT got left out the first time around.slugboy wrote:
A LIE by omission is still a lie; however, omitting details out of some things does NOT make them lies. For example, if I was telling you about my day, but neglected to tell you I had found & picked up a penny on my way home (because it seemed inconsequential) you would call that a lie? We don't always have time to tell every detail of everything that happens.A lie by omission is still a lie. Plus the progression of lifes appearance on earth is at odds with that as written in genesis (I'm ignoring the 7days issue). So it's either wrong and not the word of god, or he was telling porkies.
Are you ignoring the "7 day issue" because it's inconvenient, or because you don't believe it. Choosing to ignore things because they are inconvenient isn't really a good argument.
Ty fagan :) -
Mystery wrote:
A LIE by omission is still a lie; however, omitting details out of some things does make them lies. For example, if I was telling you about my day, but neglected to tell you I had found & picked up a penny on my way home (because it seemed inconsequential) you would call that a lie? We don't always have time to tell every detail of everything that happens.
I was ignoring the 7 day issue because it wasn't relevant to the discussion at hand.Are you ignoring the "7 day issue" because it's inconvenient, or because you don't believe it. Choosing to ignore things because they are inconvenient isn't really a good argument.
I would have said that something that has ended up dividing so many people, such a vastly important thing like how life changes, is hardly inconsequential. Worthy of a sentence at least.
I note you ignored my part about how the genesis life progression is wrong..... -
wats a Jehovah witness???
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C0sM1c🐧PeNgUiN wrote:
That is a good question, I think it's a branch of Christianity, but very strict life style I believe....correct me if wrong but similar values as Quakers? Also whats the diff in Quakers and Amish ? And did the Amish originate from america?wats a Jehovah witness???
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Jw's are apparently originally from pensilvania. Quakers started in England, Amish are Swiss in origin. All variants of xtian. Tho if I remember correctly jw's don't think Jesus the nazerine was son of god, just a prophet. So similar to both judaism and Islam in that respect.
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No slugboy, I didn't ignore you. Arguing specifics doesn't do anything but inflame everyone. We all have our beliefs. Arguing over details won't change anyone's mind; it will simply make them defensive.
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krazijay wrote:
I don't know too much bout this but I don't hink Jehovahs witnesses are like Quakers. But essentially some form, wether wrong or right, of Christianity.C0sM1c🐧PeNgUiN wrote:
That is a good question, I think it's a branch of Christianity, but very strict life style I believe....correct me if wrong but similar values as Quakers? Also whats the diff in Quakers and Amish ? And did the Amish originate from america?wats a Jehovah witness???
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Mystery wrote:
Didnt say you ignored me, but the part I said you appeared to ignore. Which as you did not mention it, was self evidently ignored...No slugboy, I didn't ignore you. Arguing specifics doesn't do anything but inflame everyone. We all have our beliefs. Arguing over details won't change anyone's mind; it will simply make them defensive.
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