Multiculturalism has failed?
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This is societies fault and more so the liberal left who although want to look after the weaker half of society, mollycoddle them and don't encourage them to work hard and better themselves. It's like they say don't look down on this able bodied perfectly able to work but unskilled person who didn't want to train n educate themselves to do a better higher paid job, but doesn't want to do unskilled work because they're better than that, so they'll sign on coz it pays more. No don't look down on them coz that will make them feel bad and that's an abuse of their human rights blahh blahh.
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Basically with a shared national identity (which is separate from race etc etc) we can all come together and work to better ourselves, our country and our lives.
People who immigrate here should be encouraged to be BRITISH first, this is why I think the USA works so well. Essentially a nation of immigrants (apart from the natives lol) who all have a shared national identity, being AMERICAN! you can be be British, Irish Italian Dutch African Japanese heritage etc etc, but in common above all they are AMERICAN, who share the same ideals and national goals. -
I'm not saying forget ur culture when you move, variety is the spice of life!! Just remember to bring the gd parts of ur culture that will contribute to society and leave tha bad behind. I'm not saying western culture is perfect, but it's better than most. We have better freedoms, more equal legal and education systems etc, and we all need to embrace and protect these more.
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Iv skimmed through this thread and I think it went down an inevitable route that is actually a tangent to the topic Cameron brought up. However Rossi just brought it back. Cameron was talking about the weakness if national identity having a direct affect to terrorism and extremism, not what the BNP bang on about which is unemployment and immigration. It is always going to be a hot topic, the question I would pose would be, where the hell do we start?
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Well put, Rossi.
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How do you get a combined national identity after years of letting in many groups who have no interest in integration ?
I'm not saying we shouldn't try, I just can't see how it can be achieved -
I think it's gotta start in schools early, adults are buggered basically. If u teach a national identity to be proud of then it will eventually come together. Teach British history to be proud of, including the sacrifices of colonies / former colonies like india, Canada Australia etc and how they have contributed to the freedoms we all enjoy today. If this is done no citizen in their right mind will speak against the state with respect to national goals, there will be no disillusioned "minorities" burning poppies etc. Infact I don't even think they will be described as minorities, that is divisive and discriminative in itself. If contributing to society and bettering yourself to be the best citizen possible is taught daily then eventually maybe within a generation old adult extreme prejudices will die out. They will simply be boring.
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I don't think all prejudice will disappear, but I think we could also teach a better tolerance towards stereotypical views.
The only reason people really take offence to steriotypes is because basically they are true. The scotish are tight, the French rude, the Irish drunks, Germans efficient, Italians flamboyant these things are funny and if said in jest should be laughed at. Having a sence of humor is just another part if being British. All comedy is made at the expense of someones feelings, blondes, mums, gingers, whites blacks. -
We should be embracing differences, people are all different and have different strengths and weakness' but as country we seen to think that everyone should slot into a type
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krissharm wrote:
Yes , we don't have conditions before we have friendships? We can't have our can and eat it so to speak, it is as has been said a very hard situation, but I believe what was said above, it's Got to start with education and the youth, that's only way I can see to try resolve deep seeded. Issues/ignorance whatever u want to call itWe should be embracing differences, people are all different and have different strengths and weakness' but as country we seen to think that everyone should slot into a type
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Education is where you can teach the embracing of different cultures, but you can never teach a shared history. You really think young Arabs, Jews, Indians, Africans, etc., give a crap about British history, especially considering slavery and colonization? And don't look here to America for the answer. We've got the same issues here, just millions more acres to spread out and get away from each other. And if we have a national identity, it's because we don't teach our children what our ancestors did to Native Americans, Africans, Mexicans, etc., while bragging about how we saved everyone from hitler. It's not multiculturalism that's failed; it's acceptance that we both struggle with
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krissharm wrote:
People don't embrace differences. Our nature is to self segregate based on differences. This is why we have nations. This is why we have cultural/ethnic communities that don't welcome outsiders, and don't have to because no other groups want in. To make an integrated society, you have to minimize differences, assimilate people into the culture, and have people primarily identify with that culture. If not, you get Paris.We should be embracing differences, people are all different and have different strengths and weakness' but as country we seen to think that everyone should slot into a type
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juggle0 wrote:
I generally treat everyone with the same respect that I want to be shown. Until they act in such a way as not to deserve it.Having listened to David Cameron's speech today and debated it amongst close friends, I am undecided as to how far his statement is true. My own experience is incredibly mixed, as in I have friends of all creeds races etc but have been subjected to racism and alienation. I see what he says about a failure in upstanding British morales but I can't help but think he was a bit too radical. What are your views?
But I do agree every other country in the world expects us to respect there cultural beliefs except for ours. Because our government was afraid to offend anyone.
I think we should respect other people cultures but in Britain ours should be premoted. -
English heritage has almost been wiped out.. We daren't complain through fear of being called racist, what is racism? i havent put anyone down or said anyone is better or worse, infact, id like to adopt a few ways from Indians, their a damn sight more family orientated than us! They stick together,
Without the gurkhas, polish fighter pilots etc etc we may not have won wars. My door is always open to them. their fathers n forfathers paid the price, stood by us shoulder to shoulder, would you see immigrants of today do that? bollocks would they... they just want a 1st class ticket to the Gravy boat England with lashings of benefits.
Cameron knows this, Its about time he started putting his promises into actions.! -
bee ryan wrote:
can't teach history which has emotion,but compassion is natural,no pride in comapassion, it's environment, societies that surpress that compassion/empathy,I grew up with all sorts and am a mix as is everyone, but I embraced othersEducation is where you can teach the embracing of different cultures, but you can never teach a shared history. You really think young Arabs, Jews, Indians, Africans, etc., give a crap about British history, especially considering slavery and colonization? And don't look here to America for the answer. We've got the same issues here, just millions more acres to spread out and get away from each other. And if we have a national identity, it's because we don't teach our children what our ancestors did to Native Americans, Africans, Mexicans, etc., while bragging about how we saved everyone from hitler. It's not multiculturalism that's failed; it's acceptance that we both struggle with
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bazboffer wrote:
Agreed .. No real connection with the ral world in Britain today.David Cameron is a cock. What does he know about multiculturalism? Home Office reports and looking at Kieth Vaz? Give me a break, Etonian elitist scumbag.
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mayhem wrote: But I do agree every other country in the world expects us to respect there cultural beliefs except for ours. Because our government was afraid to offend anyone.
I think we should respect other people cultures but in Britain ours should be premoted.question everyone: what cultural beliefs does Britian have? this isn't judgment but actual curiosity. like what cultural things do you see as yours? youd have to kill your beloved tikka masala but you got your chippers. you got banksy. you got mumford&sons, you got an old ass family in a big palace, you got Heston blumenthal and Marco Pierre white. you got Harry potter...
but what other strictly British things comprise your cultural identity?
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(besides the beatles because that's almost too obvious.)
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Nemesis add NEM wrote:
Agreed, and unfortunately it's our society that makes us like it, not just our is messed up,bit I agree they work together all pull together, and ppl insult them!! How dare they,English heritage has almost been wiped out.. We daren't complain through fear of being called racist, what is racism? i havent put anyone down or said anyone is better or worse, infact, id like to adopt a few ways from Indians, their a damn sight more family orientated than us! They stick together,
Without the gurkhas, polish fighter pilots etc etc we may not have won wars. My door is always open to them. their fathers n forfathers paid the price, stood by us shoulder to shoulder, would you see immigrants of today do that? bollocks would they... they just want a 1st class ticket to the Gravy boat England with lashings of benefits.
Cameron knows this, Its about time he started putting his promises into actions.! -
Do i sense a touchy or sarcasm there mama?
Ummmm The English language?
Robin Hood
King Arthur
Magna Carta
The Mother of Parliaments
Agincourt
Gallipoli
The Somme
Waterloo
Churchill
Pitt the Younger
The Boxer Rebellion
The Wars of the Roses
The English Civil War
Darwin
Isaac Newton
Milton
The Battle of the Boyne
The Easter Uprising
The Indian Mutiny
The British Empire
The Battle of Britain
Charles Dickens
Bram Stokers Dracula
Mary Shelleys Frankenstein
computers
trains
steam engines
lightbulb (yes yes we did)
speakers
telephone (alexander graham bell born and rasied in scotland)
jet engine
traffic lights
vacum cleaners
RADAR
SONAR
Hovercraft
penicillin
Should i go on? oh and....
Humour & sarcasm... i see you have adopted the latter LOL -
Etiquette
Politness
Manners
Forming an orderly que lol -
Brown Note wrote:
Not true. People are willing to die to get to out of their country to come to the united states. You don't have to separate from everyone else, it's just easier. Its easier to downplay differences, but then you start losing cultural distinctives worth celebrating. Communities who don't want others in are scared of differences, just like those who want to minimize distinctivesPeople don't embrace differences. Our nature is to self segregate based on differences. This is why we have nations. This is why we have cultural/ethnic communities that don't welcome outsiders, and don't have to because no other groups want in. To make an integrated society, you have to minimize differences, assimilate people into the culture, and have people primarily identify with that culture. If not, you get Paris.
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I see mamas point, and every thing ha layers because all those people have been part of creating/establishing culture from British isle/and colonies, but if u stripthem down they are of a mix so some where somehow those(not all by anymeans) will have deep seeded cultural essence from all sorts of cultures n then go back to them and they came from another...etc,lol ,I do strongly believe that certain things like the Xmas and them sayin that schools have to consider other cultures, pc gone mad, but cultures are but memorie like a guy with meaningful tatts and desire to be held on to a all true history should
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Thing is with this discussion is just like that, what mam tel said and Ben u replied, ur both right, to whatever degrees ur both right, because all human emotion etc deserves a voice,if a kid thinks he has bad homelife beaten etc,even if this is not true and really has a good balanced upbringing, it is still an issue! And not saying mana or nem are that scenario,just makin point
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bee ryan wrote:
Well said bee Ryan,but I see truth in both if ur statements,Brown Note wrote:
Not true. People are willing to die to get to out of their country to come to the united states. You don't have to separate from everyone else, it's just easier. Its easier to downplay differences, but then you start losing cultural distinctives worth celebrating. Communities who don't want others in are scared of differences, just like those who want to minimize distinctivesPeople don't embrace differences. Our nature is to self segregate based on differences. This is why we have nations. This is why we have cultural/ethnic communities that don't welcome outsiders, and don't have to because no other groups want in. To make an integrated society, you have to minimize differences, assimilate people into the culture, and have people primarily identify with that culture. If not, you get Paris.
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Melting pot, not individually packaged. That's the classical understanding. A culture requires homogeny by it's very definition.
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