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I won’t pretend to understand how the US democratic system is setup both Nationally and / or by state, so could someone in SIMPLE language explain why it seems to me as an outsider looking in, that there are people who say guns are our right to own, and others who say we have a gun problem, but I don’t see open discussion on is there middle ground between the two views? This is the bit that seems sensible to me but it doesn’t feel like that happens for some reason.
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Google our constitution and our right to bear arms.
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Its not just they “say”. Its actually there.
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Mrs Pickle wrote:
This is why some people think a collapse is coming. This division is not sustainable.I won’t pretend to understand how the US democratic system is setup both Nationally and / or by state, so could someone in SIMPLE language explain why it seems to me as an outsider looking in, that there are people who say guns are our right to own, and others who say we have a gun problem, but I don’t see open discussion on is there middle ground between the two views? This is the bit that seems sensible to me but it doesn’t feel like that happens for some reason.
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Mrs Pickle wrote:
We are discussing it and we are at the current middle ground. It’s only a national emergency if someone doesn’t accept the current compromise. I.E. Fringe lunatics on both ends of the horseshoe that turn it into some twisted tug-of-war to move the common sense compromise by any means necessary.I won’t pretend to understand how the US democratic system is setup both Nationally and / or by state, so could someone in SIMPLE language explain why it seems to me as an outsider looking in, that there are people who say guns are our right to own, and others who say we have a gun problem, but I don’t see open discussion on is there middle ground between the two views? This is the bit that seems sensible to me but it doesn’t feel like that happens for some reason.
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🤣🤣🤣🎵 wrote:
Thank you for this. What is the current compromise?Mrs Pickle wrote:
We are discussing it and we are at the current middle ground. It’s only a national emergency if someone doesn’t accept the current compromise. I.E. Fringe lunatics on both ends of the horseshoe that turn it into some twisted tug-of-war to move the common sense compromise by any means necessary.I won’t pretend to understand how the US democratic system is setup both Nationally and / or by state, so could someone in SIMPLE language explain why it seems to me as an outsider looking in, that there are people who say guns are our right to own, and others who say we have a gun problem, but I don’t see open discussion on is there middle ground between the two views? This is the bit that seems sensible to me but it doesn’t feel like that happens for some reason.
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★DEICIDE★ wrote:
Don’t make me have to go and read it D! I’m imagining it’s effectively law, would that be right or am I oversimplifying it? ThxIts not just they “say”. Its actually there.
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YOU wrote:
Ok - ignore last comment, I’ve now used the Interweb to read up on the Founding Fathers, the Constitution and then the subsequent Bill of Rights. Genuinely interesting reading. I’m still assuming that there is no way any change to the 2nd Amendment would happen (as I don’t think any have been changed since introduction) as v unlikely to get enuf consensus to do that. As the Bill or rights are quite high level who interprets the exact meaning of each of the 10?★DEICIDE★ wrote:
Don’t make me have to go and read it D! I’m imagining it’s effectively law, would that be right or am I oversimplifying it? ThxIts not just they “say”. Its actually there.
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Mrs Pickle wrote: Thank you for this. What is the current compromise?
Firearms are heavily regulated at the federal and state levels in the US. These laws find a balance between public safety and personal responsibility. I think this represents a compromise between the two extremes of absolute individual freedom and totalitarian control. It’s a balance that works well with a solid centrist base.I think what happens is the population is losing the centrist majority and becoming more polarized. As a result, large numbers of extremists try to influence the moderates to support their own goals.
So totalitarian types try to get soccer moms to vote to ban guns because they are scary.
Separatist types try to get suburban dads to go target shooting with their kids so they support gun ownership rights because it’s clean family fun.
It’s all propaganda. Guns are power and freedom.
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You don’t have to fear being shot in the streets by roving street thugs in Pyongyang. They have excellent gun control there.
I suppose the other end of the analogy is something like Somalia. No gun control whatsoever. Do what you need to do to protect yourself. Safety is your own responsibility.
Both are bad places to live.
I think we like our compromise middle-ground. If only the centrist base was strong enough to shut the extremists up, we’d be good. -
🤣🤣🤣🎵 wrote:
Well said. Personally I think more training and education is needed. And the media needs to stop sensationalizing the extremists points of view.You don’t have to fear being shot in the streets by roving street thugs in Pyongyang. They have excellent gun control there.
I suppose the other end of the analogy is something like Somalia. No gun control whatsoever. Do what you need to do to protect yourself. Safety is your own responsibility.
Both are bad places to live.
I think we like our compromise middle-ground. If only the centrist base was strong enough to shut the extremists up, we’d be good. -
🤣🤣🤣🎵 wrote:
I wanna hate you so bad but you make it really hard sometimes god dammit.You don’t have to fear being shot in the streets by roving street thugs in Pyongyang. They have excellent gun control there.
I suppose the other end of the analogy is something like Somalia. No gun control whatsoever. Do what you need to do to protect yourself. Safety is your own responsibility.
Both are bad places to live.
I think we like our compromise middle-ground. If only the centrist base was strong enough to shut the extremists up, we’d be good. -
I see that the amendments are quite high level and so naturally thru the years have been ‘interpreted’ and the meaning altered by degrees and acceptance (certainly around the 2nd amendment) I’m assuming that the 2nd Amendment would stay but you can still have further laws (sorry if I’m using the wrong terms here) to then say that for example they can only be purchased by women and then only between 3pm and 4pm on a Thursday? (This is me not trying to suggest what potential safety measures might be the way to go here and not me saying School run Moms need the guns 😀)
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Mrs Pickle wrote:
As of a 2010 Supreme Court ruling, the 2nd amendment now has standing in state law as well. Originally, the constitution only applied to the federal government, but since the civil war, as the Supreme court takes on a case involving state legislature issues as applied to constitutional law, the relevant sections or amendments are incorporated.I see that the amendments are quite high level and so naturally thru the years have been ‘interpreted’ and the meaning altered by degrees and acceptance (certainly around the 2nd amendment) I’m assuming that the 2nd Amendment would stay but you can still have further laws (sorry if I’m using the wrong terms here) to then say that for example they can only be purchased by women and then only between 3pm and 4pm on a Thursday? (This is me not trying to suggest what potential safety measures might be the way to go here and not me saying School run Moms need the guns 😀)
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This means state’s rights to self govern can no longer override the federal constitution. The 2nd amendment was the last of the original 10 bill of rights amendments to achieve standing because it’s such a political hot potato…. But now states may not violate the 2nd amendment by passing laws to regulate tighter than the federal interpretation of the people’s right to bear arms.
That whole “state’s rights” thing goes both ways, eh, lefties? When you want the states to trample our freedoms, they can’t now in this case because the feds have that pesky constitution.
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👋🏻Roe v Wade👋🏻 🎉🥳
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★DEICIDE★ wrote:
Hoes be mad👋🏻Roe v Wade👋🏻 🎉🥳
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I came here for this!
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I suppose the crime control act is also unconstitutional. It says that arms or weapons that cause destruction are illegal to own, such as hand grenades, explosives, etc. But small explosives, like fireworks, are legal. And guns that are made for mass killings, like AR-15s, are legal. It seems like we have drawn some "crooked" lines in defining the meaning of "arms." We have the right to own AR-15s but not hand grenades. I guess hand grenades are dangerous, because they can blow up valuable stuff, but AR-15s are typically just used to hurt people, so they are deemed safer. Shouldn't we have the right to own any "arms?"
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Literally no words 🤣 my gosh.
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𝐒𝐢𝐦𝐜𝐨𝐞♞ wrote:
"No words?" Is that an argument or agreement? Shouldn't we all have the constitutional right to bear any arms? Unfortunately, the constitution does not define "arms" and, for that matter, does not define "bear." So the whole 2nd amendment remains open to interpretation.Literally no words 🤣 my gosh.
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Bare arms. You have a right to having bare arms. Just a typo.
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〓∞Persephone∞〓 wrote:
Indeed - the secret to America’s success is our willingness to roll up our sleeves. Save the second!Bare arms. You have a right to having bare arms. Just a typo.
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〓∞Persephone∞〓 wrote:
The Constitution wasn't typed, it was hand written. Typewriters didn't exist in the 1780s. So, therefore, there was no such thing as a "typo."Bare arms. You have a right to having bare arms. Just a typo.
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Ars are not made for killing people. They are excellent hunting rifles. Which is what they are designed for. They are not assault rifles.
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“TurfWars” it’s a game that mimics real life in the argument of guns and personal security. If you don’t mob up and buy weapons and Kevlar suits and the such, those who have and want to impose their will on you will do so. If you arm up and protect with defense then you are less of a target. Not getting into the whole family “ militia“ aspect. Living where I do, I see thousands a month from countries who restrict or outlaw arms, standing in line at businesses that give you the opportunity to fire and even act out war type senerio. 👊🏻Patriot
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BigAl! wrote:
What ever the government is allowed to have, we ought to have. Yes grenades too.I suppose the crime control act is also unconstitutional. It says that arms or weapons that cause destruction are illegal to own, such as hand grenades, explosives, etc. But small explosives, like fireworks, are legal. And guns that are made for mass killings, like AR-15s, are legal. It seems like we have drawn some "crooked" lines in defining the meaning of "arms." We have the right to own AR-15s but not hand grenades. I guess hand grenades are dangerous, because they can blow up valuable stuff, but AR-15s are typically just used to hurt people, so they are deemed safer. Shouldn't we have the right to own any "arms?"
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✞€ℍ₳ℙ╚₳ł₦✞ wrote:
☝️👊“TurfWars” it’s a game that mimics real life in the argument of guns and personal security. If you don’t mob up and buy weapons and Kevlar suits and the such, those who have and want to impose their will on you will do so. If you arm up and protect with defense then you are less of a target. Not getting into the whole family “ militia“ aspect. Living where I do, I see thousands a month from countries who restrict or outlaw arms, standing in line at businesses that give you the opportunity to fire and even act out war type senerio. 👊🏻Patriot
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༼།༠༦༣༩༽ wrote:
My AR 5.56 is not a good hunting rifle. Works good for home invaders tho🤙🏻Ars are not made for killing people. They are excellent hunting rifles. Which is what they are designed for. They are not assault rifles.
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★ΛUG★ wrote:
5.56 is an excellent hunting round༼།༠༦༣༩༽ wrote:
My AR 5.56 is not a good hunting rifle. Works good for home invaders tho🤙🏻Ars are not made for killing people. They are excellent hunting rifles. Which is what they are designed for. They are not assault rifles.
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