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Mrs Pickle wrote:
★ΛUG★ wrote:
Only in the US is gun control considered as you describe. I realise that it would be impossible for many US citizens to comprehend or be able to imagine a society without guns and hence ….Mrs Pickle wrote:
… regardless of the stats some wish to quote to aid their perspective. I think this is why I said a willingness to change and seek solutions needs both gun pro and gun control groups to try to find better solutions.
Gun control means the 4 rules of gun safety, pistol grip and aim.
My children can quote them to you and even teach your children about firearm safety.
I have dispelled their Curiosity and Anxiousness in
We do actually comprehend a society without Guns. This is why we have them.
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Mrs Pickle wrote:
…. don’t pause to think that could be the or anything else to justify their opinions. Ukraine is a once in a lifetime situation and so realistically who is going to invade the US? It’s a nonsense argument. I
I dont expect you to be a expert in world history. However, having a starting point premise that “the US will never be invaded” is only an naïve assumption.
Did we not have terrorist threats against the US at all in its history? The information is not on your side pickle.
Ukraine and Russia have been in conflict long before a year ago, (not a once in a lifetime event lol) just ask the experts in the ukrine thread
How would anyone take over the US if they tried? The answer is, because of the 2A no country can conquer the US even if you nuked the shit out of it. We would be underground waiting with a arsenal.
Of course no would invade. It wouldnt be economical.
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Mrs Pickle wrote:
…. I wouldn’t ever want to have to show a child what a gun was let alone how to use one. I have no need for a gun and live without any fear of someone having one regardless if they are bad people.
Children are natural explorers and very Curious Creatures at heart. If you keep your children ignorant of Gun safety and show them how it works, it will not dispel that curiosity thus cause them to WANT to seek and find that which daddy wont show them.
Its great to have no fear. Even if at night if someone was to attempt to rape my wife, she will be ready to defend herself with a equalizer.
I would never want to rob anyone the ability to defend themselves, especially women.
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“ We do actually comprehend a society without Guns. This is why we have them.” Only in the US would someone say that. In most countries people would laugh assuming you were being ironic, but alas you are not. That statement demonstrates perfectly why the US has the issues it has. I mean you no disrespect but I can’t add any more to this discussion as it requires an open and questioning mind and I’m sensing you only see the word ‘Gun’ regardless if I try to encourage you to explore other possibilities. Stay safe. Peace.
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The USA was born by farmers, merchants and traders who used their own arms as a militia against the British- did they also get help from other countries- Yes. Westward expansion occurred by landowners settling and taking control with their arms. Did they get help from the army- Yes. Texas had a brief period of independence based upon citizen militias fighting back against Mexico, the Union and the Confederacy- although mostly against Mexico. California was settled much the same way. The Bear flag sovereignty didn’t last very long though as the Union army marched in and took over. That was then. In modern times, what is the purpose of a citizen militia other than to overthrow its own government? Isn’t that what elections are for? Local, County, State and Federal elections. The biggest I see is the failure of states to exercise their power and accepting of federal overreach of authority. This is based on Federal funds. States enact federal policies, agendas and initiatives that are not state law out of pure
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Greed for federal tax dollars coming into their state. Federal match dollars for healthcare, education, transportation, wild lands, infrastructure, fema aid, safety net programs, research grants etc…. States have sold their right to self government by pure greed.
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The united STATES of America is based upon local control and governance with Union of states for Federal representation. The federal govt was tasked with basic constitutional legislation, executive leadership and legal oversight- the 3 federal branches. They created the Federal government for the purpose of securing sovereignty (armies), protecting democracy and the constitution and for economic oversight of the Union of States.
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What flies in San Francisco does not in Kentucky. They are worlds apart. The forefathers knew citizenship and the greatness of a civilization is based on the needs of geographical ownership by the citizens and not bureaucracy or autocracy forced upon them by those who do not face the same needs.
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A great example is federal funding for housing. Housing projects must meet federal requirements for receiving federal funding. The cure agenda is only approving high density housing developments. This is due to less maintenance costs for the supporting infrastructure. That’s great in urban areas- it doesn’t work in rural areas. Not to mention many people do not wish to, or do well, in a 750sqft apartment with 300 other residents. As they read the paper of their neighbors thru the window. Not everyone does well in a cage.
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Ꭱ3V wrote:
the president came out and said he wants to ban 9mm and any firearm that holds more than 10 rounds.★ΛUG★ wrote:
Problem is people like you equate the term “gun control” to “ERMAGERD THEY WANNA TAKE MA GUNS!!”Do not regulate the 2nd amendment just because someone decided to break laws.
We have laws against Murdering people, but people murder… WTH MAN.
I am horrified about what happened. And im pissed on about so many different things that was negligent about that whole thing. But banning guns will not solve anything and i think you and everyone else who call on for restrictions know this and it makes you even more angry.
Like we couldn’t even get legislation passed for more stringent background checks. Fucking pathetic. If someone is mentally ill, we should be checking for that and they shouldn’t have a fucking gun. -
Mrs Pickle wrote:
“ We do actually comprehend a society without Guns. This is why we have them.” Only in the US would someone say that. In most countries people would laugh assuming you were being ironic, but alas you are not. That statement demonstrates perfectly why the US has the issues it has. I mean you no disrespect but I can’t add any more to this discussion as it requires an open and questioning mind and I’m sensing you only see the word ‘Gun’ regardless if I try to encourage you to explore other possibilities. Stay safe. Peace.
Explore what? While Ukrine was used as an example, the US could not due to its stance on citizens being free to own firearms. This is is a responsibility to defend ones own family and country. This is something a non free country could never understand. They have to rely on their government to protect them and trust them 100% to the extent of protecting them and their land.That problem isnt in America.
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Others have come out and made statements like all semi auto firearms should be banned. That is the demtards saying “I want your guns.”
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Mrs Pickle wrote:
And im going to be quite honest here, and i mean no offense truly. All you have stated was an opinion about not showing your children or teaching your children about guns, and that you prefer a gunless society and that you feel safe in that. That isnt really adding anything to the discussion.“ We do actually comprehend a society without Guns. This is why we have them.” Only in the US would someone say that. In most countries people would laugh assuming you were being ironic, but alas you are not. That statement demonstrates perfectly why the US has the issues it has. I mean you no disrespect but I can’t add any more to this discussion as it requires an open and questioning mind and I’m sensing you only see the word ‘Gun’ regardless
In many places of the world we call you types of people “easy targets”. We usually have step in and protect you too.
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I want you all to take a read here
https://www.france24.com/en/20180609-banned-weapons-stoke-deadly-violence-nigeria
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And now take a look at this read.
Terrorists Massacre 50+ Christians In ‘Vile And Satanic’ Attack On Nigerian Church
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Aug, It amuses me that you consider me ‘an easy target’. I imagine that you’ll also be saying those poor kids in the school wouldn’t be easy targets if you just got more guns. I know the answer. I guess the huge number of other shootings by civilians, criminals and police are also because there aren’t enough guns? It’s nothing to do with a gun culture is it? No of course not (in your mind) For a country that you say is so strong and yet you all need guns that are bigger then the next man to stay alive, it leaves me wondering there must be soo many other things you could fix by applying the more guns approach? I think you should try to look at the atlas, see all those other happy countries out there, and maybe look at their societies. Nobody walks around having to prepare at any moment to get shot. Most people in the rest of the modern world will never see, touch, or hear a gun fired in their life. That’s the ‘an easy target’ I choose.
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Mrs Pickle
If you could please read the links i shared. Please read them and let me know your thoughts.
you do have record high statistics in terrorist stabbings and rape in the UK, but we can get into that later.
I dont call you a easy target as a insult, it is a observation. In our culture of sheep many people feel the need to no longer be self aware of their surroundings. They are trapped and plugged into their phones while walking on the street. This culture is completely desensitized by media and entertainment.
If we want to talk about a good example when speaking about the high school shooting in Texas, the Police are currently being investigated due to their neglect of action offering their lives to protected those babies. Parents are coming out condemning the department for neglecting their duties.
This issue is an example of failed government. That in which i do not and can not trust.
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I am happy you feel safe.
But when a issue that involves a foreign government/mob/cartel illegally smuggling guns or perhaps something like Obama’s “fast and furious” happens to stroll down your neighborhood, you will put your hope and trust in that organization by force. You will obey on your knees.
At least here in America we have options to say hell no.
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I read the post you referenced on France24 and the large number of Weapons in Nigeria. I think it reflects the US situation in that there are already lots of weapons there, lots of people who are very used to having them, and therefore as I pointed out before no realistic way that the genie can be put back in the box ie removal of them. There are significant numbers of people there who want guns and therefore there always will be guns. For me it just aligns with my original point suggesting the US can’t get rid of its guns and thus my suggestion that other solutions were needed. The best analogy I can make here (in my humble opinion of course) is that you can try to treat an addict unless they are ready to admit they have a problem.
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Can’t not can of course 😀 ⬆️
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★ΛUG★ wrote:
We have laws and military the same as all countries. We find it safest to leave guns in the hands of trained professionals who are held to account should they draw their weapon. If someone in the UK gets shot it makes the main National news as is soo very rare. I suspect not quite the same in the the US regardless if done by civilians or your police forces with all their different rules depending on states? Let’s deal with rascism and bigotry later shall we?I am happy you feel safe.
But when a issue that involves a foreign government/mob/cartel illegally smuggling guns or perhaps something like Obama’s “fast and furious” happens to stroll down your neighborhood, you will put your hope and trust in that organization by force. You will obey on your knees.
At least here in America we have options to say hell no.
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Mrs Pickle
There were two articles linked, one incident in 2018 and then just this Sunday where 50 + murderer in a church shooting done by terrorist invading the town.
The point i wanted to drive at was not that as you say “try to put the genie back in the bottle” scenario. It was to show you that core issue and problem of “invasion” regardless of your “gun free borders”. Either by state or country, if your citizens do not have a efficient equalizer to defend their family and country, it will be conquered, and conquered easily… its all in a matter of when, not where.
As you seen in Nigeria, they fully banned these guns from people having them, but the government cant even control terrorist groups either across borders or states from coming in and invading its citizens.
America can not have that issue especially with minorities.
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Mrs Pickle wrote:
★ΛUG★ wrote:
We have laws and military the same as all countries. We find it safest to leave guns in the hands of trained professionals who are held to account should they draw their weapon. If someone in the UK gets shot it makes the main National news as is soo very rare. I suspect not quite Let’s deal with rascism and bigotry later shall we?I am happy you feel safe.
But when a issue that involves a foreign government/mob/cartel illegally smuggling guns or perhaps something like Obama’s “fast and furious” happens to stroll down your neighborhood, you will put your hope and trust in that organization by force. You will obey on your knees.
At least here in America we have options to say hell no.
https://libertarianinstitute.org/articles/operation-fast-and-furious-atf-gunwalking-scandal-forgotten-history/
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Are you listening to Matthew McConaughey? I just looked at the average US shooting stats and was gobsmacked. 45,000 gun related deaths per year and some people don’t think guns are the problem. Holy crap! That’s getting on towards the total number of US soldiers who died in total in the Vietnam war, but domestically it gets done year in year out in peace time. The UK only averages 155. I wonder why? Only kidding, I don’t wonder why, we all know why, it’s because we don’t do guns! The US homicide rate is 60x greater than say the UK (based on figures per 100k of population to ensure its like for like) Let’s say that together 60 times, yup not twice as many, 10 times as many, no it’s 60 times!! Aug you mentioned you need guns to protect you from invaders, terrorists, rapists and others. Surely all those groups together don’t make up the 45,000?
And assuming they don’t, as we know from Texas and the many many other horrid events of similar nature, how many of the 45,000 US deaths per year is acceptable? Wow! 🙁 -
OMG my math is rubbish - it’s 290 times greater.
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Scrub that 290 - D’oh that was based on total numbers but of course the US is much bigger hence it being 60 comparatively.
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Mrs Pickle wrote:
I cant be the guns.Scrub that 290 - D’oh that was based on total numbers but of course the US is much bigger hence it being 60 comparatively.
You Brits are just terrible shooters.
See any World Cup penalty shootout for comparison.
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*it
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Mrs Pickle
You are looking at general statistics in gun shooting deaths. That accounts for suicide, death by police, justified shootings unjustified shootings, etc etc… its too easy for you to wave your finger at those statistics when your entire premise and assumption is that those stats are on your side of the argument.
How about take a look at gun free zones and states where firearms are heavily regulated. Those numbers will astonish you.
Part of me wants to know if your listening to what in saying about self defense via foreign and domestic threat, or are you purposely ignoring me?
I gave you so many examples but it looks like your locked into the BBC/CNN new york times networks that give you terrible information and much of the time nonsense information.
Please look at the event that happened in Texas, that was an example of government failure to protect you, look at Nigeria’s event where they disarmed their citizens, look at obama’s operation fast and furious, look at Ukraine right now.
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ғċṡṭ.ƿѧȗʟı♆яїн♆ wrote:
I can show you countless videos where women and men whee chased, stabbed and murdered. Only if they were armed they would be alive today. But hey, BAD PEOPLE EXIST so ban all guns.*it
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