$15 minimum wage.
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I mostly disagree with it. But i have herd some valid talking points. My biggest 2 gripes with it is, 1 as a member of the working class its pretty shitty to work your ass off, get raises and make it past that, and then low and behold people get hired at that. Like great, all my hard and this fucker gets to start where i had to grind to get there. Secondly, i do think it will cause even more inflation. Companies with cover the cost with increased prices on goods to absorb the pay increase. These are my starting talking points :)
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Welcome to the new AMERIKA
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I own my business. Every single one of my employees makes between $19 and $26 an hour. So I have two choices.
1) leave them there and they go find another job probably less stressful for around the same amount of money
2) I jack up my prices so I can give them a raise.
Minimum wage shouldn’t be a living wage. If you make minimum wage you suck at life.
It honestly sucks.I feel like I charge a fair price for my services but it’s the consumer who gets screwed so I can keep my profit margin.
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That, and i think minimum wage only really benefits workers such as waiters. They get paid minimum wage or less, and then basically work for tips. I cant honestly think of many places that pay minimum wage. Even fast food restaurants tend to pay higher than minimum wage. But on the other side i read that from a statistical stand point the ratio of work to pay from when minimum wage was first implemented compared to now is much lower. On average people get paid less now than they did back then if you compare the amount of inflation from then to now. But the issue still persists, like you said companies have 2 options. Fuck over the workers, or fuck over the consumers. Because as pay increases margins stay the same.
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How about we lower the cost of living instead.
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I think you run into the same issue in reverse. No matter how you flip it you pay the same that you make. Make min wage $100 now you pay $40 for a bag of chips. Make min wage $1 now you pay $0.40 for a bag of chips. (Im using party sized bags of chips for this example, plus who the fuck buys small bags of chips)
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★ΛUG★ wrote:
How about we lower the cost of living instead.
I support this cause
Over inflated housing costs and overbearing expenses for construction driving it up
Corporate farm subsidies to companies that DONT farm. Exxon and Bill Gates are the largest US Farmers....
Healthy food from real farmers/ranchers SHOULD be subsidized locally instead of the mass consumption General Mills, Kraft and Pepsi Diabetes/cancer in a box food supply.
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🧩🆙Persephone🦅8 wrote:
👍🏼👍🏼★ΛUG★ wrote:
How about we lower the cost of living instead.
I support this cause
Over inflated housing costs and overbearing expenses for construction driving it up
Corporate farm subsidies to companies that DONT farm. Exxon and Bill Gates are the largest US Farmers....
Healthy food from real farmers/ranchers SHOULD be subsidized locally instead of the mass consumption General Mills, Kraft and Pepsi Diabetes/cancer in a box food supply.
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The whole issue seems like a convoluted mess..
Society demands certain jobs exist (at least until automation takes over), so offering those who work those jobs a wage they can't live off of seems morally bankrupt.. hence the outrage, if businesses would pay their "essential workers" livable wages instead of the lowest wage that's legally feasible then there wouldn't be people demanding that min wage be raised..
In the age of big business, your smaller businesses can't afford to pay the higher wages while remaining competitive so they have to cut costs down which unfortunately results in super low wages..
Raising min wage hurts small businesses but so do stagnant wages.. Giant businesses like Walmart can and do raise wages above minimum wage. Because of this, the good workers from smaller businesses flock to them because they can earn a much better wage. No one wants to work management at a small business and earn less than a Cartpusher at walmart.. bad workers = bad experience = less customers = less money
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Also Florida already passed this. Which means I’m already going to have to deal with it. Every summer we hire a couple high school or college kids to come in at their leisure and pay them $8hr to scan files.
Well I’m certainly not going to pay them $15hr to scan files. So I’ll have my receptionist do it and now there’s 2 less (albeit part time) jobs created.
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I don’t care how old they are, $8 an hour are slave wages
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〓ＤＥＲＥＬＩＣＴ〓 wrote:
So is $15hr, $25hr so on and so forth....I don’t care how old they are, $8 an hour are slave wages
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Ŧгєภςђ Շเςкɭєг wrote:
I side this this🧩🆙Persephone🦅8 wrote:
👍🏼👍🏼★ΛUG★ wrote:
How about we lower the cost of living instead.
I support this cause
Over inflated housing costs and overbearing expenses for construction driving it up
Corporate farm subsidies to companies that DONT farm. Exxon and Bill Gates are the largest US Farmers....
Healthy food from real farmers/ranchers SHOULD be subsidized locally instead of the mass consumption General Mills, Kraft and Pepsi Diabetes/cancer in a box food supply.
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〓ＤＥＲＥＬＩＣＴ〓 wrote:
Lol always people like this telling other people what they’re allowed to work for. I guarantee you those kids will miss those opportunities. I’ll let them know those are slave wages and they shouldn’t bother 🙄I don’t care how old they are, $8 an hour are slave wages
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In 1985 I made minimum wage at a liquor store. I looked online to see what the equivalent would be today. Not implying good, bad - just a comparison
$3.50 in 1984 is equivalent in purchasing power to about $8.77 today, an increase of $5.27 over 37 years. The dollar had an average inflation rate of 2.52% per year between 1984 and today, producing a cumulative price increase of 150.70%.
1985 minimum wage was $3.35
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The wealth ceiling has raised exponentially over the past decade. Meanwhile the floor stagnates. Might as well do nothing and allow billionairs to become trillionairs meanwhile machines replace blue collar jobs.
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Ⲧ𝜦𝐺⌖UͣRͩIͩTᵸᶳ wrote:
The wealth ceiling has raised exponentially over the past decade. Meanwhile the floor stagnates. Might as well do nothing and allow billionairs to become trillionairs meanwhile machines replace blue collar jobs.
Truth does lay in your statement. Also, should a fry cook at Mc DP’s reasonably expect to earn enough per hour to support themself and a child. Part of the American “dream” is challenging yourself to be more and do more, including past your own self image of possibility. Hardship and struggle builds strength and resilience, the forged steel. If the masses could support themselves on entry level wages, there is little motivation to push your skills and abilities. With that said the top corporate admins and managers should never be making 300 to 600 times more per hour than their lowest paid employees
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Also of note- manufacturing, assembly, textile (clothes) etc used to be dominant in the US. Over the last 30 years hundreds of thousands UNION jobs left to places like China where slave wages are paid. The Consumer in the US didn’t give two fucks about US made and only cared about the cheapest version from Costco or Walmart. If you support your neighbors, you buy local, buy regional, buy national and buy Union. Otherwise you are deliberately undermining your own financial well being in the name of saving some bucks today.
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🧩🆙Persephone🦅8 wrote:
👍🍺cheers to thatAlso of note- manufacturing, assembly, textile (clothes) etc used to be dominant in the US. Over the last 30 years hundreds of thousands UNION jobs left to places like China where slave wages are paid. The Consumer in the US didn’t give two fucks about US made and only cared about the cheapest version from Costco or Walmart. If you support your neighbors, you buy local, buy regional, buy national and buy Union. Otherwise you are deliberately undermining your own financial well being in the name of saving some bucks today.
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Imo people should not be making careers out of a job that pays minimum wage . These jobs are stepping stones and a way for students and retired people to earn a-little money and were never intended to support a household . Stop trying to make it because even 15$ an hour isn't coming close to paying my bills . Perhaps the issue is lazy people idk . They should stop asking for more because its NEVER going to pay the bills nor should it. Maybe they should concentrate on a job that pays well instead of asking for a raise at a job that was never supposed to be a career.🤷🏼♂️
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^^^^👌
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My first job minimum wage was $2.85 and I was stoked to get that
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Honestly, this is one of the most productive political threads we’ve had in a while.
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I pretty much agree with everyone. I think one of the biggest factors in all of this is the disillusionment that college is essential. A lot of people go, spend rediculous amount of money they dont have for an education and then are unable to do anything with it becuase mostplaces value experience over a degree. There are a few exceptions. But what is someone with a masters degree in anything other than medical or law fields going to do with retail or other non related job experience. Oh you have a masters degree?! Awesome! Oh, this other person has been doing this since they got out of highschool? ... hmm.
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Step Off wrote:
I love Mike Rowe. He’s been fighting the “college is essential” movement for years. I’ll tell ya my lawn guy pulls 6 figures and doesn’t have a student loan to his name. Same with my plumber and AC guy.I pretty much agree with everyone. I think one of the biggest factors in all of this is the disillusionment that college is essential. A lot of people go, spend rediculous amount of money they dont have for an education and then are unable to do anything with it becuase mostplaces value experience over a degree. There are a few exceptions. But what is someone with a masters degree in anything other than medical or law fields going to do with retail or other non related job experience. Oh you have a masters degree?! Awesome! Oh, this other person has been doing this since they got out of highschool? ... hmm.
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👆 I bet they all have small fortunes worth of tools to do their job . Go ahead ask me how I know? 😂
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What an electrician apprentice is paid min wage? Fuck that.
Wait, an electrician makes how much?
Yeah, I’ll be an apprentice for shit wages for a year or two, take a few courses in the trades and become a journeyman.
Then I will trade work with plumbers & carpenters I meet and learn their trade. Then get licensed as a contractor maybe a general contractor. Then I can have a few people working in various trades under me. Hang a shingle out there and diversify before the physicality of the work is not possible.
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℣į₭ϊ₦Ǥ👹 wrote:
You are a self entitled ass and part of the problem.〓ＤＥＲＥＬＩＣＴ〓 wrote:
Lol always people like this telling other people what they’re allowed to work for. I guarantee you those kids will miss those opportunities. I’ll let them know those are slave wages and they shouldn’t bother 🙄I don’t care how old they are, $8 an hour are slave wages
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〓ＤＥＲＥＬＩＣＴ〓 wrote:
℣į₭ϊ₦Ǥ👹 wrote:
You are a self entitled ass and part of the problem.〓ＤＥＲＥＬＩＣＴ〓 wrote:
Lol always people like this telling other people what they’re allowed to work for. I guarantee you those kids will miss those opportunities. I’ll let them know those are slave wages and they shouldn’t bother 🙄I don’t care how old they are, $8 an hour are slave wages
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★ΛUG★ wrote:
It was $5/hr for me, and i didnt bitch. It lit a fire under my ass to make myself worth more. You van bitch and moan and blame the man or bust your ass to make more of yourself. I tell my kids the same. Dont expect shit because you dont deserve shit until youve earned it.〓ＤＥＲＥＬＩＣＴ〓 wrote:
So is $15hr, $25hr so on and so forth....I don’t care how old they are, $8 an hour are slave wages
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I dont care what minimum wage is, the economy will adjust and you will still be poor. Its MINIMUM wage. You want more than elevate yourself.
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