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We're talking mass murders here not gang related violence(gun control will also stem gang violence tho). The amount of mass murder victims caused by guns in Canada from the past 100 years is less than the texas shooting. So yes it is the frequency and the effectiveness I am arguing. The corruption comes from your government and the lobbyists who prevent any research to be done.
In regards to criminals and illegal weapons, in Canada, guess where the criminals get their guns? They smuggle them in from the USA...less guns in the street makes it harder for criminals to get.
I would like you to defend how gun control legislation hurts the innocent citizen. If you would take the time to research alternatives you would learn that the legislation that other countries implement are not only effective, but they are quite reasonable. -
★DΞICIDΞ★ wrote:
a quick google search shows canada is not without shootings. i think up to 28 people dead in one also. is it the frequency you are arguing?
Gun deaths per capita:
Canada: 2.3 per 100,000
USA: 10.2 per 100,000
United Kingdom: 0.2 per 100,000Source: The American Journal of Science.
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after all the guns are gone, and people are still killing, just with different weapons do you move on to banning those as well. what if everyone was killing people with slingshots or butter knives would you ban a butter knife because it's the weapon of the month? or do you make the punishment more severe and feared. and i'm not talking about executing criminals because that's not really a deterrent. but some sort of horrific torture repeatable that won't kill them... or at least not beyond bringing them back to do it again. something public and grotesque. my point is you don't get rid of the desire by moving the object out of the way. you have to make them really fear even the idea of breaking that rule or law. kinda like cutting off the hand of a thief, but maybe stepping it up to their entire immediate family. or maybe castrating them all, branding them, i would say testing some fatal chemical or virus on them but that could be final stage type stuff...
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https://www.immigroup.com/news/guns-laws-difference-between-us-and-canada
https://www.nationalobserver.com/2015/12/04/news/how-american-gun-deaths-and-gun-laws-compare-canadas
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don't let them die until they have been put through 1,000 different types of hell and everyone has witnessed it or had the choice to witness it. to let them die is the easy way out and something they probably look forward to. deny them that. mutilate them. physically, mentally, emotionally. etc.
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gangs vs mass killings? i don't even need a search to tell you they kill more than 28 people per year. i think their numbers far out weigh what you are going to get from a mass shooting of any sort based on the frequency of both. mass shootings aren't near as common as just every day killings related to gangs or mobs. when i was in working in california it seemed like every day there was some killing on the news. the mass killings get international coverage, i doubt you hear about the local killings in miami , dallas, new orleans, las vegas unless it's related to a child or something.
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ฅຮอศརຮƴ♆яїн♆ wrote:
Canada Population ~36.29million★DΞICIDΞ★ wrote:
a quick google search shows canada is not without shootings. i think up to 28 people dead in one also. is it the frequency you are arguing?
Gun deaths per capita:
Canada: 2.3 per 100,000
USA: 10.2 per 100,000
United Kingdom: 0.2 per 100,000Source: The American Journal of Science.
US population ~323million
based on your numbers you are looking at what?
canada rate is a .0023% of population
US rate higher .0102% of population
yes ours is higher. i'm sure there is other factors besides gun control laws that is at work there. -
★DΞICIDΞ★ wrote:
ฅຮอศརຮƴ♆яїн♆ wrote:
Canada Population ~36.29million★DΞICIDΞ★ wrote:
a quick google search shows canada is not without shootings. i think up to 28 people dead in one also. is it the frequency you are arguing?
Gun deaths per capita:
Canada: 2.3 per 100,000
USA: 10.2 per 100,000
United Kingdom: 0.2 per 100,000Source: The American Journal of Science.
US population ~323million
based on your numbers you are looking at what?
canada rate is a .0023% of population
US rate higher .0102% of population
yes ours is higher. i'm sure there is other factors besides gun control laws that is at work there.Per capita. Per 100,000 citizens.
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★MΛΥΗΞΜ★ wrote:
The École Polytechnique massacre, also known as the Montreal massacre, occurred on December 6, 1989, at the École Polytechnique in Montreal, Quebec, Canada. Twenty-five-year-old Marc Lépine, armed with a Mini-14 rifle and a hunting knife, shot 28 people, killing 14 women, before committing suicide. that sounds like a mass killing to me.... more recent than 100 years.We're talking mass murders here not gang related violence(gun control will also stem gang violence tho). The amount of mass murder victims caused by guns in Canada from the past 100 years is less than the texas shooting. .
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and that was one instance.... you telling me that's the only shooting in 100 years??? c'mon......
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or you saying he stabbed 28 people and just held the gun for show?
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We were outraged by the slaughter in Montreal. We tightened gun laws. We didn't just shrug our shoulders and wait for the next one. Your murder rate by guns is over 4 times ours. It's your country, your call. We are fortunate not to have a gun obsession up here, a completely different mindset.
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what's funny is i'm not even a gun owner. yet. but i've been looking. me and the wife getting a couple., going to training classes and teaching our kids how to shoot. we believe education is key. but also believe in being prepared. most of my neighbors carry and have guns in their houses, cars or on their hips. lived on our street 14 years and we have never had an issue.
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★DΞICIDΞ★ wrote:
what's funny is i'm not even a gun owner. yet. but i've been looking. me and the wife getting a couple., going to training classes and teaching our kids how to shoot. we believe education is key. but also believe in being prepared. most of my neighbors carry and have guns in their houses, cars or on their hips. lived on our street 14 years and we have never had an issue.
... That's fine. Again, it's the difference between two cultures and people who aren't Americans have to be careful about lecturing the USA. I just think it makes sense if there are a ton of guns in circulation, the consequence are a lots more gun deaths. I don't think you guys are brainwashed by the NRA, you've just made a decision as citizens to accept a higher gun death rate then the rest of the world.
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ฅຮอศརຮƴ♆яїн♆ wrote:
i agree the mindset is different. and i also agree alot of the problems is the government and what is allowed to come into the country. i said earlier... .stop the criminals from having the guns first. but don't stop the citizens from defending themselves. take away the NEED for that defense and now we are talking. but i'm sure there is too much money being made, people paid to look the other way or whatever. i don't know the numbers for guns used to commit these crimes as far as in if they were made foreign or domestic. i'm willing to bet most were imported though. criminals don't just walk in cabelas and buy a shotgun.We were outraged by the slaughter in Montreal. We tightened gun laws. We didn't just shrug our shoulders and wait for the next one. Your murder rate by guns is over 4 times ours. It's your country, your call. We are fortunate not to have a gun obsession up here, a completely different mindset.
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On December 29, 2014, 53-year-old Phu Lam[1] went on a killing spree in Edmonton, Alberta, Canada. He shot to death eight people, including two children, all of whom were his relatives. He then committed suicide at his restaurant in Fort Saskatchewan.[2]
.... ok... that puts you more than the texas killing alone so that 100 year statement was fudged a little.... -
Ranked mortality in US 2017
Abortion
Heart Disease
Cancer
Tobacco
Obesity
Medical Errors
Stroke
Lower Respiratory Disease
Accident (Unintentional)
Hospital Associated Infection
Alcohol
Diabetes
Alzheimer’s Disease
Influenza/Pneumonia
Kidney Failure
Blood Infection
Suicide
Drunk Driving
Unintentional Poisoning
All Drug Abuse
Homicide
Prescription Drug Overdose
Murder by Gun
Texting while driving
Pedestrian
Drowning
Fire
Malnutrition
Domestic Violence
Smoking in bed
Falling out of bed👉🏾Mass shooting victim
Falling tree
Lightning -
I say we start legislating bed railing before we start getting rid of the guns.
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My brother in law was struck by lightning a few months ago. He’s in the military and was out in the field training(that’s all the details i was allowed) but apparently he’s a badass and survived with no issues. Waiting for his super powers to manifest...
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I mean our per-capita texting-while-driving mortality rate is insane. As soon as North Korea banned cell phones, their deadly texting problem was completely solved.
What does it say about us when we get shown up by North Korea?!?
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★DΞICIDΞ★ wrote:
He should play the lottery.My brother in law was struck by lightning a few months ago. He’s in the military and was out in the field training(that’s all the details i was allowed) but apparently he’s a badass and survived with no issues. Waiting for his super powers to manifest...
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I’ve been texting and driving since the iphone 3g(2008) came out. I think being ADD helps and now believe it to be an elovutionary step in humans :). Those who can’t shouldn’t try or they die off. At least thats the line of crap i give my wife when she complains about my playing tw, drinking coffee/eating and carrying on multiple conversations while i’m driving. ADD for everyone!
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Brown🎵Note wrote:
"Getting rid of guns"I say we start legislating bed railing before we start getting rid of the guns.
Cmon Brown you're better than that! -
★DΞICIDΞ★ wrote:
There have been under 10 mass shootings with ~30 fatalities by shooting. Thats in 100 years, USA is more than double that in less than 100 days. The numbers are staggering regardless of the fine details.and that was one instance.... you telling me that's the only shooting in 100 years??? c'mon......
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★DΞICIDΞ★ wrote:
I am not interested in this argument; however, a big box store—so far unnamed—sold him the gun even though he was not supposed to have them.i believe this guy in texas was denied a gun license before hand. the old argument that tightening the laws will not prevent the criminals from having the guns comes to mind.... you think gangs or thugs actually get their guns legally???? i'm sure the corruption goes much higher than what is happening on the streets. it's not like they are manufacturing the guns in the local communities. or even in the states for that matter. i'm sure a large number is being imported illegally. if you have a plan for stopping them getting the guns and activing out... then we could entertain the idea of more gun control for the law abiding citizens. but don't cripple the innocent because you can't control the criminals.
Anyhow, sad state of affairs. That family of eight was an awful thing. Survivorwas70~ -
“When looking at firearm-related homicide rates in comparable countries, Canada’s rate is about seven times lower than that of the United States (3.5 per 100,000 population), although it is higher than several other peer countries. While Canada’s firearm-related homicide rate is similar to those in Ireland and Switzerland, it is significantly higher than the rates in Japan (0.01 per 100,000 population) and the United Kingdom (0.06 per 100,000 population),”
Explain this.
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Brown🎵Note wrote:
Cdc can research all of that, except 2 on the list. Guess which? No wonder you can't talk about a solution you can't recognize the issue!Ranked mortality in US 2017
Abortion
Heart Disease
Cancer
Tobacco
Obesity
Medical Errors
Stroke
Lower Respiratory Disease
Accident (Unintentional)
Hospital Associated Infection
Alcohol
Diabetes
Alzheimer’s Disease
Influenza/Pneumonia
Kidney Failure
Blood Infection
Suicide
Drunk Driving
Unintentional Poisoning
All Drug Abuse
Homicide
Prescription Drug Overdose
Murder by Gun
Texting while driving
Pedestrian
Drowning
Fire
Malnutrition
Domestic Violence
Smoking in bed
Falling out of bed👉🏾Mass shooting victim
Falling tree
Lightning -
🍀Mr Ikslopot wrote:
so no matter the law, it was circumvented or outright ignored and he obtained the gun anyways... still doesn't seem like tighter gun control would have prevented it. if the laws in place are ignored, more would help?★DΞICIDΞ★ wrote:
I am not interested in this argument; however, a big box store—so far unnamed—sold him the gun even though he was not supposed to have them..
Anyhow, sad state of affairs. That family of eight was an awful thing. Survivorwas70~ -
★MΛΥΗΞΜ★ wrote:
Rats in a cage. Canada actually has guns, but the homicide rate is lower. It’s poverty in close quarters that causes hood rats.“When looking at firearm-related homicide rates in comparable countries, Canada’s rate is about seven times lower than that of the United States (3.5 per 100,000 population), although it is higher than several other peer countries. While Canada’s firearm-related homicide rate is similar to those in Ireland and Switzerland, it is significantly higher than the rates in Japan (0.01 per 100,000 population) and the United Kingdom (0.06 per 100,000 population),”
Explain this.
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★MΛΥΗΞΜ★ wrote:
Cdc can research all of that, except 2 on the list. Guess which? No wonder you can't talk about a solution you can't recognize the issue!It’s hard to look at statistics and find the issue. It’s only found on the news. The reality is that media sensationalism skews our view of the world. That’s just a fact. If all we had were the raw numbers, gun control probably wouldn’t be a priority for most of us.
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