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gunstreet grrl wrote:
That's all old testament law...Sgt Mayday wrote:
Deuteronomy 21.18-21While I do agree that there are people who follow both religions way too strictly, that doesn't make it right. When I say, "Go jump in a lake.", I don't actually mean for you to do that. Misinterpretation is the word, I believe.
And where does it say to kill disobedient children again? I don't recall ever reading that. Could you provide a specific verse?Jesus tells ppl to go back to those laws Mark 7.9-10
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The KKK,Isis and osoma binladdin all took place close to a presidential election mr.beffy is right
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Brown🎵Note😲 wrote:
Assume that God exists here for a second, and that he is prefect(see my other post)http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/says_about/children.html
1: "Children who refuse to obey their parents should be executed". Duet. 21:18-21, Exo.21:15-17
In all three of these verses, God is using an extreme example to get his point across. In verse 21b of Duet. 21, God says that the Israelites needed to be free of sin. In previous parts of the Bible, God calls the Israelites his 'chosen people'. If God is perfect, it is natural to assume that He'd want his chosen people to follow in his footprints. This means that the unrepentant heart, even one of a loved son, isn't acceptable. If there were exceptions made to perfection, it wouldn't be perfect. -
2: "Children who mock their parents will have their eyes plucked out by ravens and eaten by eagles." Prov.30:17
This can be closely matched with one of the Ten Commandments: "Honor your father and mother and you will live long in the land the Lord has given you." What this can mean is that if you follow the advice of your parents, you won't do something you'll regret that will cause pain and death later in life. This verse is simply stating the other end of that fact.
3: "Like Abraham, parents should be willing to kill their children for God."Gen.22:2,10
I actually agree with this statement; parents should be willing to do that. That doesn't mean that God will ever require anyone to do that, though. Even Abraham was stopped before he could kill Issac. -
4: "God killed the firstborn of an entire country."Exo.12:29-30
The ten plagues occured because Pharaoh refused to let the Israelites out of Egypt. God, through Moses, told all those living in Egypt(including the Israelites) that if they did not smear the blood of a young sheep across their doorframes, that the firstborn in every household would die. Now, as this was the tenth plague, more people did listen as Moses was known for speaking the truth about these disasters. Although quite a few people did follow the instructions, many did not, and lost family members as a result.
5: "Sometimes God kills children for misbehaving"2Kings2:23-24
In these verses, it refers to Elisha the prophet walking to Bethel when a group of children mocked him. Now, Israelite prophets were people who were selected by God to represent Him and to forewarn the Israelites of the dangers of sin. These children knew who he was and purposefully were making fun of him, and by extension, God. -
6: "Someday, God will force parents to eat their own children."Lev.26:29, Duet. 28:53, Jer. 19:9
In all of these verses, God is warning the Israelites of the consequences of sin. Lev. 26:14: "...but if you will not listen to me and carry out my commands...then this will happen to you:". After this he says that if they still didn't repent from their sin, their afflictions would be multiplied by 7. God continues to relate of what happens if they continued to reject God, multiplying by seven each time until we get to this specific verse that relates a siege in which parents are hungry enough to eat their children, and the afflictions are already seven to the fourth power. However, God used this as another extreme circumstance; one to deter the Israelites from ever getting that far. Obviously, the Israelites were smart enough not to ever get this far (not smart enough not to keep doing it though; see...every chapter of Judges). -
7: "Happy is he who takes thy little ones and dashes them against the stones".
Once again, this is taken out of context(not to mention confusing, as it's in King James Version). Reading the previous few verses in NIV, it says: "O Daughter of Babylon, doomed to destruction, happy is he who repays you for what you have done to us-he who seizes your infants and dashes them against the rocks." This isn't talking about the parents killing their own children, it's talking about invading forces(and not the Israelites, it speaks as if it is another group of people) killing the infants of the Babylonians, who enslaved thousands of people. Kinda harsh all the same, but still taken out of context.Any questions?
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^That took forever to write
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Any questions? Yes. Assume now that there is no God. Does what you just wrote sound sane?
Take yourself out of the fairy tale universe of bible stories, and imagine these events happening now in our time.
It is completely absurd to read this book and call it the basis for codified morality.
When I ministered, it all seemed perfectly normal to me. Now as an older man with time to reflect on the silliness of it all, I'm amazed at the human capacity for self delusion. People really base their lives on this stuff. Amazing.
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Brown🎵Note😲 wrote:
Very well said.Any questions? Yes. Assume now that there is no God. Does what you just wrote sound sane?
Take yourself out of the fairy tale universe of bible stories, and imagine these events happening now in our time.
It is completely absurd to read this book and call it the basis for codified morality.
When I ministered, it all seemed perfectly normal to me. Now as an older man with time to reflect on the silliness of it all, I'm amazed at the human capacity for self delusion. People really base their lives on this stuff. Amazing.
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Mandatory OP reply:
I don't know how I feel about ISIS. But this is how I feel about your mother.
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Brown🎵Note😲 wrote:
If Jesus/God did the miracles now, the social media would be all over it. Jesus wouldn't be a savior, he would either be taken by the government or become a social idol, none of which portray him as being the servant-like figure he was supposed to be.Assume now that there is no God. Does what you just wrote sound sane?
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Sgt Mayday wrote:
Jesus, will you stop turning the water into wine? I'm trying to take a shower.Brown🎵Note😲 wrote:
If Jesus/God did the miracles now, the social media would be all over it. Jesus wouldn't be a savior, he would either be taken by the government or become a social idol, none of which portray him as being the servant-like figure he was supposed to be.Assume now that there is no God. Does what you just wrote sound sane?
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Brown🎵Note😲 wrote:
Mmmm... Wine showerSgt Mayday wrote:
Jesus, will you stop turning the water into wine? I'm trying to take a shower.Brown🎵Note😲 wrote:
If Jesus/God did the miracles now, the social media would be all over it. Jesus wouldn't be a savior, he would either be taken by the government or become a social idol, none of which portray him as being the servant-like figure he was supposed to be.Assume now that there is no God. Does what you just wrote sound sane?
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Sgt Mayday wrote:
I feel bad that you took all that time to type, but I think you missed the point. The point was not to argue the Bible, but to illustrate that most religious texts cannot be taken literally, because if they did, they'd be propagating violence against whomever doesn't agree with your view of the world - your fellow man, your wife, your kids and, of course, all infidels.^That took forever to write
The same rhetoric occurs in the Qur'an. After all, Muslims are people of the Book, their religion is an Abrahamic religion. The majority of Muslims does not believe in that rhetoric, just like the majority of Christians doesn't.
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O U 8 1 2 wrote:
Mark is NT, but even so, point being? OT is not the Bible? If Jesus considered it relevant, you don't?gunstreet grrl wrote:
That's all old testament law...Sgt Mayday wrote:
Deuteronomy 21.18-21While I do agree that there are people who follow both religions way too strictly, that doesn't make it right. When I say, "Go jump in a lake.", I don't actually mean for you to do that. Misinterpretation is the word, I believe.
And where does it say to kill disobedient children again? I don't recall ever reading that. Could you provide a specific verse?Jesus tells ppl to go back to those laws Mark 7.9-10
I like how Christians get to pick and choose what they follow from the Bible, but don't allow Muslims the same luxury with the Qur'an.
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Struggle for power will mostly be made with extreme violence from a smaller group. With a larger group it is about mutual destruction which = diplomacy. Isis is the pre to the post.
The larger powers must crush the terror with a fist of death. To assure a balance in the greater powers. -
Brown🎵Note😲 wrote:
I really like your comment.Any questions? Yes. Assume now that there is no God. Does what you just wrote sound sane?
It is completely absurd to read this book and call it the basis for codified morality.
As a side, I think it's crazy that the ISIS conversation always goes back to discussing religion. Truth is, you can twist any holy book as saying what you need it to say and peddle it off as the word of God. To understand ISIS, you'd be better served reading about the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan and its consequences, the effects of the war in Iraq and Afghanistan post-US invasion and how poverty makes vulnerable populations a target for maniacal agenda pushers.
In fact, you'd be better served reading Christopher Browning's book "Ordinary Men" that explains how regular ppl orchestrated the most massive genocide in world history.
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gunstreet grrl wrote:
Like always, 'people want to do what the cool people are doing'. When the Israelites first moved into Canaan, they were the odd bunch a monotheistic society with non-idol based diety. According to such, the rules had to be based on the fact that the Israelites would be tempted by outside forces, and were made accordingly. However, as time moved on, other cities became more civilized with centralized governments and laws. This meant that this didn't require the law to be so strict.O U 8 1 2 wrote: That's all old testament law...
Mark is NT, but even so, point being? OT is not the Bible? If Jesus considered it relevant, you don't?
The principal behind the Mosaic law remained the same, but it was necessary for it to be spoken differently for the early Israelites as opposed to those in Jesus' time. -
gunstreet grrl wrote:Mark is NT, but even so, point being? OT is not the Bible? If Jesus considered it relevant, you don't?
Ok, well right back at you then with that logic. I love how opinionated cunts can spit out whatever they want and not let other pov come across. Anyway Jesus is supposed to fulfill the OT laws, you know he came teaching love and all that stuff.I like how Christians get to pick and choose what they follow from the Bible, but don't allow Muslims the same luxury with the Qur'an.
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gunstreet grrl wrote:
Actually I partially agree with you, there will always be someone who reads "Insert Book Title Here" and gets something not intended from it, but at the same time, if you read everything correctly, without bias and without jumping to conclusions, you will get to the intended result.Sgt Mayday wrote:
The point was not to argue the Bible, but to illustrate that most religious texts cannot be taken literally, because if they did, they'd be propagating violence against whomever doesn't agree with your view of the world - your fellow man, your wife, your kids and, of course, the infidels.^That took forever to write
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O U 8 1 2 wrote:
Logic is irrelevant. You use the word c### every single time you post. Is that what is supposed to pass as bad or even intelligent? It's neither. It looks bad on you and it even looks bad on your crew.gunstreet grrl wrote:Mark is NT, but even so, point being? OT is not the Bible? If Jesus considered it relevant, you don't?
Ok, well right back at you then with that logic. I love how opinionated cunts can spit out whatever they want and not let other pov come across. Anyway Jesus is supposed to fulfill the OT laws, you know he came teaching love and all that stuff..
Furthermore, you use every opportunity to beat on me and cap my turf should I dare voice my opinion on anything you disagree on. You hit me, take my capos, and this is your MO. Check it, I don't give a damn what you think. Quit reading my posts and using them as an excuse for your pointless hatred.
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✯乃เɠթคקค✧И↭山~Я✧ wrote:
Anyone motice misspelled religion?Sgt Mayday wrote:
Who does mentally unstable come into play with morals? People bomb themselves believing they will assend to their own heaven. Also in a less dramatic point there are people who hate homosexual people they have never met and such. All I saying is that if you do what you honestly believe is the right thing then follow they ways that of people thousands you may find life easier.✯乃เɠթคקค✧И↭山~Я✧ wrote:
Great, so we can just let loose all the mentally unstable people in your neighborhood? I'm sure they'll do what they think is right, and we'll come back in a week to clean up.Realigion is sketchy don't follow in the footsteps of those thousands of years ago at the end of the day do what you feel is right and you Don't do what you feel is wrong simple as that
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Sgt Mayday wrote: 💇if you read everything correctly, without bias and without jumping to conclusions, you will get to the intended result.
That's actually funny. When you read Nostradamus do you read it "correctly"? WHAT IS THE TRUE MEANING?!?!? TELL US!!! Lol!The "insert religious book here" is fiction, fairy tale, myth, superstition, fear, and lies.
Here is the true story of a dude that had a conversation with the angry sky wizard when he was all alone. The sky wizard told him he that he was to give all the people hundreds of rules about not fucking each other, lying, stealing, (yes, you can still rape slaves and kill those other people over there...), and how to eat and shit...
The intended result is to give authority to certain men who aren't big and strong enough to dominate the rest of the village, but think they know best how to structure and control an ancient society of nomads.
That's the intended result. And you bought it. Wow.
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Brown🎵Note😲 wrote:
I was talking about any work, not just religious works. The author of any book has a purpose for you to discover, whether true or not. This just includes religious works.Sgt Mayday wrote: 💇if you read everything correctly, without bias and without jumping to conclusions, you will get to the intended result.
✂The intended result is to give authority to certain men who aren't big and strong enough to dominate the rest of the village, but think they know best how to structure and control an ancient society of nomads.
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They have declared war on us months ago!
We in Canada now have lossed 2 unarmed soldiers !
I hope we in the " west " wake up and realize if a group of people chop off people's heads.
And rape and kill women and children. We stand up and not accept this .
We are at war, they have land , they sell oil to countries on the black market they have weapons and lots of $$$
Most people need to take there head out of the sand . -
Ahaha I never noticed I spelled religion wrong.... Can't believe it went so long with our being called out.
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Regardless look at all this talk of religion did. It got all our panties in a bunch. I respect the beliefs of others and if it helps that them go to sleep so be it. My original post may have seemed douchy and that's not what I meant to come off as.
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I'm sure there is a higher power out there and what happens when we die I guess will remain a mystery till our time card gets punched and it's our time to go.
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