Jon Stewart on USA screwing veterans
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If anyone saw this on comedy central did they feel he hit the nail on the head?
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Didn't see it, but probably nailed it. I find it insulting that vets have to wait at all for healthcare.
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Roger That wrote:
Not just that, all the cover ups going on in the VA . Cooking the books for bonuses.Didn't see it, but probably nailed it. I find it insulting that vets have to wait at all for healthcare.
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☠ðůﾅ⌖ʟḁẘ☠ wrote:
I wouldn't mind that they embezzled money if they at least made sure their job was done first. But VA healthcare is abysmal even without the waiting. I called my VA doctor about something last year, and was told to go to the emergency room, since there was no VA hospital in the immediate area. Several months later, I got a letter saying they weren't paying for it because it was non-emergent care. Not the first time this has happened to me. My wife is in dire need of back surgery, and the VA won't do it because, well you know why if you watch the Daily Show.Roger That wrote:
Not just that, all the cover ups going on in the VA . Cooking the books for bonuses.Didn't see it, but probably nailed it. I find it insulting that vets have to wait at all for healthcare.
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Welcome to Government Healthcare! Some of us have been "enjoying" it for longer than most.
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λΙΙuviøη wrote:
There shouldn't even be a discussion about this. It should be single payer for all - no need for a VA. Sometimes I think this country tries to be as convoluted as we can just for shots and grins because it certainly isn't about saving money.☠ðůﾅ⌖ʟḁẘ☠ wrote:
I wouldn't mind that they embezzled money if they at least made sure their job was done first. But VA healthcare is abysmal even without the waiting. I called my VA doctor about something last year, and was told to go to the emergency room, since there was no VA hospital in the immediate area. Several months later, I got a letter saying they weren't paying for it because it was non-emergent care. Not the first time this has happened to me. My wife is in dire need of back surgery, and the VA won't do it because...Roger That wrote:
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💀Yeti💀 wrote:
Most people want single payer, not socialized medicine. Just FYI. And to that fact most successful countries that help provide healthcare are some form of single payer, aka natural monopoly health insurance rather than government providing and employing everything and everyone, like the VA. Anyways, short version, it's not all the same, so don't get it twisted. ;)Welcome to Government Healthcare! Some of us have been "enjoying" it for longer than most.
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Yeah, monopolies are great. They always have the best interest of the consumer as their number one priority.
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✯RagnarLoðbrók✯ wrote:
One reason health care is so expensive is because there is a profit to be made.Yeah, monopolies are great. They always have the best interest of the consumer as their number one priority.
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Profit also drives innovation. Would you rather have profit driven health care that drives innovation, or one size health care fits all? Or for an other analogy, would you prefer to drive a BMW or Mercerdes where profits drive innovation, or drive a trabant because it is the only choice?
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✯RagnarLoðbrók✯ wrote:
I prefer Audie's ;-PProfit also drives innovation. Would you rather have profit driven health care that drives innovation, or one size health care fits all? Or for an other analogy, would you prefer to drive a BMW or Mercerdes where profits drive innovation, or drive a trabant because it is the only choice?
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✯RagnarLoðbrók✯ wrote:
I said natural monopoly. Do you know the difference? Not a for-profit monopoly. ;)Yeah, monopolies are great. They always have the best interest of the consumer as their number one priority.
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✯RagnarLoðbrók✯ wrote:
Profit isn't the only driver of innovation. It is, however, the weakest driver of innovation. Non-profits innovate as much as, and in many cases, more than for-profit business models. And monopolies are just as capable as innovation. Government set monopolies such as utility companies also happen to be non-profits in many cases, and have come up with some really brilliant solutions for reusing their waste products and saving money. I could give you dozens of examples of profit hampering innovation, other drivers of innovation, and examples of new monopolies both lowering prices and creating innovative products, but I'm not sure it would serve any purpose. Most people aren't even willing to listen.Profit also drives innovation.
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✯RagnarLoðbrók✯ wrote:
As opposed to for-profit companies engaged in perfect competition? Ha!Yeah, monopolies are great. They always have the best interest of the consumer as their number one priority.
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✯RagnarLoðbrók✯ wrote:
Clearly it's not either or. Look at the rest of the world, not just our own bubble with our very own talking points. 👎Profit also drives innovation. Would you rather have profit driven health care that drives innovation, or one size health care fits all? Or for an other analogy, would you prefer to drive a BMW or Mercerdes where profits drive innovation, or drive a trabant because it is the only choice?
And if profit motivated innovation is so great, why does the US rank 37th in the world in healthcare? Could it be that without results it doesn't matter the innovation?
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λΙΙuviøη wrote:
Imagine what would have if the private sector had control of our water supply. Meep.✯RagnarLoðbrók✯ wrote:
Profit isn't the only driver of innovation. It is, however, the weakest driver of innovation. Non-profits innovate as much as, and in many cases, more than for-profit business models. And monopolies are just as capable as innovation. Government set monopolies such as utility companies also happen to be non-profits in many cases, and have come up with some really brilliant solutions for reusing their waste products and saving money. I could give you dozens of examples of profit hampering innovation, other drivers of innovation, and examples of new monopolies both lowering prices and creating innovative products, but I'm not sure it would serve any purpose. Most people aren't even willing to listen.Profit also drives innovation.
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★Λddi★ wrote:
It could be because you are probably using a stat from the WHO. When they rate health care one of the major factors in their rating system is if the country of has socialized health care. The US rating takes a serious hit in their rating system because we do not have have socialized healthcare. Additionally, many of the countries that the WHO has rated higher than the US have populations equal to some mid western states, and much less land area.✯RagnarLoðbrók✯ wrote:
And if profit motivated innovation is so great, why does the US rank 37th in the world in healthcare? Could it be that without results it doesn't matter the innovation?
Comparing the US to these countries may be somewhat useful, but they are not comparing apples to apples.
I've lived in Europe, I've experienced how their hospitals and clinics work. I prefer not to follow their example.
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★Λddi★ wrote:
They would let chemical companies put MCHM in it and overcharge customers to make up for the loss.λΙΙuviøη wrote:
Imagine what would have if the private sector had control of our water supply. Meep.✯RagnarLoðbrók✯ wrote:
Profit isn't the only driver of innovation. It is, however, the weakest driver of innovation. Non-profits innovate as much as, and in many cases, more than for-profit business models. And monopolies are just as capable as innovation. Government set monopolies such as utility companies also happen to be non-profits in many cases, and have come up with some really brilliant solutions for reusing their waste products and saving money. I could give you dozens of examples of profit hampering innovation, other drivers of innovation, and examples of new monopoliesProfit also drives innovation.
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Yea I've got to agree with Ragnar. I've seen many people who leave their countries and come to the US for healthcare because of the level of healthcare some areas provide. Hardly so I ever hear that working in reverse.
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http://www.forbes.com/sites/stevensalzberg/2011/07/31/private-companies-own-your-dna-again/
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🔰darkmagician🔰 wrote:
Yes, they come for the best healthcare available, which is some of the best in the world.Yea I've got to agree with Ragnar. I've seen many people who leave their countries and come to the US for healthcare because of the level of healthcare some areas provide. Hardly so I ever hear that working in reverse.
Whats the average standard of healthcare like, what's the healthcare like for those pesky poor people? -
Or, back on subject, the healthcare for veteran's?
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Just like liberals to try to misdirect the conversation. Please tell me how Obamacare is going to be any different than the VA. Another government agency that doesn't give a damn about the level of service they provide. Great idea.
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[Add:Baz]Boffer wrote:
I mean let me just say I was on Medicaid or whatever I can't remember if its Medicare or Medicaid but either way it was when I was a young boy. I love in a po dunk town and we had our little insurance that paid for 2 life saving surgeries of mine. Both of which were done by the doctors in my nobody town. I'd say on average healthcare is fairly good but that's just me.🔰darkmagician🔰 wrote:
Yes, they come for the best healthcare available, which is some of the best in the world.Yea I've got to agree with Ragnar. I've seen many people who leave their countries and come to the US for healthcare because of the level of healthcare some areas provide. Hardly so I ever hear that working in reverse.
Whats the average standard of healthcare like, what's the healthcare like for those pesky poor people? -
Mechmach, you still don't have any idea what obamacare is do you? I'm not sure why any of you guys care to be honest - it's for-profit. You corporatists love that shit. Liberals hate it because it's the same thing that we had before with a different mask on; though, with a few improvements like forcing insurance company to provide coverage to everyone, including those with pre-existing conditions. Republicants hate it because a black man with a Muslim sounding name stole the idea from their beloved heritage foundation and implemented it rather than a republican. All it is is few regulations to ensure more healthcare for more people. What an intrusion though. A slight improvement in fairness in the market. Terrible.
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Also I wasn't changing the subject, I simply said what I thought was a better alternative. You know based on historic and statistical fact worldwide. 👍
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🔰darkmagician🔰 wrote:
Hey since you know so many people, I've got a proposition for you. Make a thread polling every other first world country playing TW. See if they prefer their healthcare or would they trade it in for ours - Europe, Australia, Canada would encompass most of the international players. Go ahead, most people that play this game are adults so it'll be a valid anecdotal assessment of what's going on out there. More valid than the one or two people you know I'm sure.Yea I've got to agree with Ragnar. I've seen many people who leave their countries and come to the US for healthcare because of the level of healthcare some areas provide. Hardly so I ever hear that working in reverse.
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When i consider how I'm going to vote. I could care less about the color of a person's skin. I care about the person's stand on issues, and their character.
I think most of the people in the US have moved past race as a major issue. There are still bigots around and they can be found on both the left and right of the political spectrums.
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✯RagnarLoðbrók✯ wrote:
Naw, just throwing sarcasm back at Mack. I wasn't talking to you on that.When i consider how I'm going to vote. I could care less about the color of a person's skin. I care about the person's stand on issues, and their character.
I think most of the people in the US have moved past race as a major issue. There are still bigots around and they can be found on both the left and right of the political spectrums.
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The current VA system is, if funded and managed properly, the best possible solution. Veterans tend to have similar and unique lifetime healthcare needs that require specialized attention, not to mention there are an awful lot of them. And I sure as hell don't want corporations profiting off of the young men and women we send through the meat grinder. Talk about a perverse profit incentive. Recent history has shown that if there is profit in war, there will be more irresponsible wars. The problem is not with the method of healthcare delivery, it is the constant underfunding by congress and these ridiculous VA manager bonuses based on turnover instead of outcome and quality of care. The good news is that the VA is a government entity and answerable to the taxpayers, not a board of directors and shareholders. This can be fixed if congress could just focus on something other than Benghazi for five minutes. Trading in an accountable system for an unaccountable one via privatization is not the answer.
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☠ðůﾅ⌖ʟḁẘ☠ wrote:
I prefer Audie's ;-P
The apostrophe police are watching. As are the plural police.
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