Overtime pay?
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I am an advocate for paying overtime to salary employees that work over 40hrs a week. I want to be clear that I am an employer NOT an employee. I have been a employee but I believe in fairness and good pay for good work. Performance based pay is best in my book but the current employer seems to take advantage of the loop holes in the salary executive/manager/professional pay. What do you prefer? To keep it as it is or try to close some of the loop holes employers use to take advantage of thier employees.
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Salaried employees know they will be salary before their first day. If you do not agree to the terms, do not accept the offer and go somewhere else.
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★ՏωɑɱpƊṏɳĸɛʏ★ wrote:
👆👍Salaried employees know they will be salary before their first day. If you do not agree to the terms, do not accept the offer and go somewhere else.
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Ive had a director who absolutely refused to pay o/t to salary employees. Even after hellish winters and almost 40hrs o/t in one pay period, he would refuse.
Salary is meant to cover small amounts of o/t incurred in the process of normal business. When companies start using salary as the tip of the whip, its an abusive management issue.
Ps. That director didnt like his 'consult' with HR and no longer works at that company.
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Not all people getting into a salary position realize that later on it will be used as a lever to gain extra work for same pay.
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The law as I understand it does not require extra pay for salaried employees who work over 40 hrs but it is not meant to be abused. But there are many other perks to being salaried one of which is if you work any portion of a day it is considered by the law as a full day. Salaried people are not required to work a full 40 hours for full pay. Also there is another group called highly compensated employees who because of their yearly earnings are so high they may be hourly but never get time and half. Oh and I am a high level manager/professional. The lawers here can weigh in.
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LaTortuga wrote:
Not meant to be abused.👍The law as I understand it does not require extra pay for salaried employees who work over 40 hrs but it is not meant to be abused. But there are many other perks to being salaried one of which is if you work any portion of a day it is considered by the law as a full day. Salaried people are not required to work a full 40 hours for full pay. Also there is another group called highly compensated employees who because of their yearly earnings are so high they may be hourly but never get time and half. Oh and I am a high level manager/professional. The lawers here can weigh in.
I havenotread any labor law that considers a partial day work as a full day. I'll be looking into that. -
Now consider what I said and here is an example. I'm salaried and I go to the doctor for a couple of hours I don't get docked pay for that. An hourly person does. I have just been paid a full day for a partial day of work.
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Usually it would be made up another day. Correct?
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Nope! Not required. Reality is many salaried people work beyond 40. I am on call 24 hrs 7 days a week. Doesn't mean I'm always working.
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Where are the Lawyers here. Funky B. Where are you?
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LaTortuga wrote:
Perhaps other fields of employment should give their experience in this. I see yours and if all is in order it works out. Most Vegas employers I know push the limits on salary employees.Nope! Not required. Reality is many salaried people work beyond 40. I am on call 24 hrs 7 days a week. Doesn't mean I'm always working.
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I'll take the extra pay if our socialist govt. mandates our businesses to pay it...though, the govt should stay out of business...it costs more in taxes for them to regulate than I would get paid for the hours worked...hmmm?
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I agree that Gov should keep there nose out of it completely but I don't see that happening anytime soon. I think we would be better off if job market self regulates. Do you think it's possible for business to be fair to employees if it were not regulated?
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I'm just a employee but here is my take ...I work on a flat rate system meaning I get paid by the job ....sometimes I can work 8 and get paid for 15 hours and sometimes I work 8 and get 6 or less at no point even if I worked 100 hours in a week would I see overtime pay ..in my experience employers do the minimum or less for their workers and only care about their own pockets so if government wasn't around with laws company's IMO would screw us all over even more than they do now
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I own a auto repair shop and as a tech I loved to get flat rate vs clock hourly. Both employer and employee benefit that way.
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I am curious about those folks who are salary and La Tortuga is on the high end pay scale it sounds so is there anyone in the under 1000.00 a week salary that have a idea on how they would approach the overtime issue
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No one likes being taken advantage of.
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LaTortuga wrote:
Banned lolWhere are the Lawyers here. Funky B. Where are you?
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I'm salaried, at my company their are two types of salaried exempt and non-exempt (from overtime) I am non-exempt and can earn overtime pay. The exempt employees cannot but earn comp time for any overtime worked, meaning they can cut out early on another day. Comp time is only matched hour for hour though.
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✞€ℍ₳ℙ╚₳ł₦✞ wrote:
I'm on hourly. I'm an employee.I am curious about those folks who are salary and La Tortuga is on the high end pay scale it sounds so is there anyone in the under 1000.00 a week salary that have a idea on how they would approach the overtime issue
Regardless of hours per week, I am on a flat rate of $x per hour (with the exception of firefighting when the pay rate doubles).Most weeks I struggle to clear $350 after I pay my 25% govt tax, as work is highly weather regulated. On the occasional week when we clear 40+ hours, the rate stays the same for o/t.
To me, a salary would be a massive blessing (even if it worked out as a lower hourly rate) simply because it would allow for budgeting. Having a guaranteed weekly income (which I've had in the past) is great when work is never guaranteed. This is just my experience.
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I manage a group of salaried employees. My perspective is that they are being paid to cover a set of responsibilities and functions, regardless of the time it takes to do it. Some weeks it's more and some it's less. And some from my team are more efficient and proficient than others. A good manager recognizes this and adjusts responsibilities accordingly. But this also means that performance bonus and advancement is rewarded accordingly as well. I personally work "OT" some weeks and work less than 40 other weeks depending on what's going on. But because I'm paid an annual salary plus bonus based on results, I don't expect OT pay when I work extra. Nor do I expect to give back money if I work less than 40 hours one particular week.
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My understanding is salarised employees , have set pay , there is a hidden rule that the hours are levied , at the companies discretion etc , then it is down to the store/site manager to use the discretion to an agreeable way with the employee , I.e only do half a days work you make up the hours another time . Again same thing if you want an extra day off its at the discretion of the manager, but be expected to have to make it up , in a way salarised employees are expected to give a few hours extra here and there , (within reason), it is down to the individual manager for each store/site etc
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Usually instead of receiving overtime pay a manager would give you a day off in lieu instead (saves the company money that way ) , and to some people benefits them more instead of the money .
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✞€ℍ₳ℙ╚₳ł₦✞ wrote:
How do you expect the job market to self- regulate? They do that already with unions been busted for decades now and the labor board being a fraction of what it used to be. It's how the market regulates itself because things only continue to get worse. Corporations aren't in the business of being moral, they are in the business of making money. Their are exceptions to every rule. But generally speaking people/corporations will do the least of what they have to not the most. Clearly, because that is what's happening in our deregulated, capitalist era.I agree that Gov should keep there nose out of it completely but I don't see that happening anytime soon. I think we would be better off if job market self regulates. Do you think it's possible for business to be fair to employees if it were not regulated?
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Not that i can add anything to this topic... But i thought the title said 'anyone gay?' 😂
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@ADDI, Some of the comments show that some businesses have fairness and possibly even a moral compass. Perhaps those could be used as an example to those businesses that don't. For fear of being punished, some keep quiet about labor law to their employer and some employees are just ignorant about them. Would you agree?
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Most of what I've been reading is dealing with overtime in the private sector. What about public sector employees?
As a public sector employee, I'm must be in the building working for set hours every day. There is no flex time and the majority of my coworkers and I work at least 5 hours/week over 40 hours.
What are your thoughts on public sector overtime pay?
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Fed/local government? Utilities ? Depends on application. Cops in Vegas are highly paid and so are school janitors..
There's a good topic. If anyone where to deserve higher pay or overtime it's teachers. They put up with a bunch of crap from the kids and their unions, usually. My mom retired from school district. I know Vegas schools are among the worst in nation but come on.. -
✞€ℍ₳ℙ╚₳ł₦✞ wrote:
Everyone seems to forget about correctional officers. I made 11.00 an hour as a CO working in the seg unit of a max security prison. I've had poop thrown on me, I've been shot at with homemade crossbows, and I've had my family threatened. If anybody deserves more money, it's the guy protecting you from the monsters in the prisons.Fed/local government? Utilities ? Depends on application. Cops in Vegas are highly paid and so are school janitors..
There's a good topic. If anyone where to deserve higher pay or overtime it's teachers. They put up with a bunch of crap from the kids and their unions, usually. My mom retired from school district. I know Vegas schools are among the worst in nation but come on.. -
No question about it. There are a lot of public servants that deserve more money. But as a police officer, correctional officer, border security, etcetera don't you still get overtime pay?
My sister works for Canada Border Services and even though they are salary they still get overtime pay if they work more than their regularly scheduled shifts.
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