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@Brown,
So you are saying that you want to influence the fiscal and political direction of this country by using federal taxation as a vehicle to alter citizen's beliefs on a national scale, correct? In other words, violate the people's sacred individual freedom for no other purpose than to re-educate them to your particular interpretation of the founding principles? Can you think of any other time that taxes were used in such a way, targeted solely at altering people's 'understanding' by force? Seems to be in direct conflict with the 1st Amendment not to mention that your cure is far worse than the disease. The founders would have had you tarred and feathered for suggesting such a cynical abuse of government powers. I thought we had a free marketplace of ideas here, not some nanny state dictating to us by force of taxation how to think. For a guy who professes to believe so strongly in individual liberty, you sure seem to want your big government all up in what the other guy is thinking and doing. -
Tar and feathers for suggesting a flat income tax?
The founding fathers were all dead before any kind of income tax was introduced.
Existing forms of taxes were more flat at the time, though you might call them regressive.
I'd be tarred sure enough for advocating a federal government that took a third of our earnings.
That was a good attempt at telling me what you believe government-wise, but I think you should take another stab at it. I didn't quite catch it.
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Didn't you go to school on a GI Bill or something similar, you know paid for by income tax dollars Brown? Correct me if I'm wrong, my memory has failed me before.
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No, I didn't take the GI bill.
I got a GED, and then joined the Navy, and after went to school on grants, scholarships, loans, and my own cash, because I had a full-time job all the way through.
And then, I got a job with healthcare.
A good investment, I assure you. :)
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OHHH, I see. You are doing that whole all-or-nothing extremist thing fnord accuses me of.
Personally, I believe education is the most important thing for the success of a nation.
Do you disagree?
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Brown🎵Note😲 wrote:
Oh that's nice. I know you'll find this surprising but I went to school on my own merit too. Grants, loans and worked full time through school. Actually I've worked full time since I was 16 in high school and still graduated high school with honors and college with honors. And hey I have a job with healthcare too! Silly progressives trying to act like they make their own way when everyone knows they are just sitting at home picking their butts.No, I didn't take the GI bill.
I got a GED, and then joined the Navy, and after went to school on grants, scholarships, loans, and my own cash, because I had a full-time job all the way through.
And then, I got a job with healthcare.
A good investment, I assure you. :)
Curious do you think you are a waste of our tax dollars with your fed job? Is your job really a necessary contribution to the basic necessities we need to live and succeed on our own?
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If you want to eat tuna, you need all 60,000 of us, lol!
YES! I am surrounded by waste! I'm no where near the worst of it, but yes, I'm non-essential.
I'm not a dummy. You aren't going to get me with such an obvious hypocrisy trap. I actually think about these things. "Oh, snap! You are right! Individual liberty is counter to the progress of our great committee! You showed me! I never thought about it like that!"
You don't value a weak federal government. For SOME reason... I don't know what. I understand.
All I see is people arguing with me that are very weak on (or just disagree with) the human nature philosophy we are founded on.
I happen to believe in it, and I think more people should read about it. As it dies through ignorance, (on both "sides"), I'll be dead. So knock yourselves out!
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😎 dammit I'm out of popcorn.
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Brown🎵Note😲 wrote: ✂️
You don't value a weak federal government. For SOME reason... I don't know what. I understand.
The reason is so simple I can't believe a guy like you never considered it:
Because power abhors a vacuum.
You asked me to be concise in my explanation of what I want my country to be (as if fitting your values on a bumper sticker proves their virtue.)
I simply want a government of, by and for We The People.
What powers do you think will fill the vacuum left by our shrinking federal government, the states? Don't be naive. Will our new masters be accountable to us though duly elected representatives? Oh that's right, we'll vote with our dollars.
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At least with states, there is competition. You can move yourself and your business away very easily if you don't like how you are treated.
Also, the needs of each state are more local. Do you really want Kansas having a say in how the federal government teaches school? I don't want to live there, and I don't want their policy impacting the entire nation. Neither do you, I think.
Bumper stickers, lol! "No Tax cuts for the rich!" Lol.
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Brown🎵Note😲 wrote:
Right over your head as usual. That's the most asinine argument for states' rights I've ever heard. Don't like it?...just move. Was that the founders' intent lol? You know the main reason why the Articles of Confederation was scrapped in favor of the Constitution, don't you? Because the states had too much power! Half of your dogma simply doesn't hold up to scrutiny.At least with states, there is competition. You can move yourself and your business away very easily if you don't like how you are treated.
Also, the needs of each state are more local. Do you really want Kansas having a say in how the federal government teaches school? I don't want to live there, and I don't want their policy impacting the entire nation. Neither do you, I think.
Bumper stickers, lol! "No Tax cuts for the rich!" Lol.
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One-size-fits-all government, eh? Good luck with that!
Be careful not to address that part of my argument. It might hold up to some mysterious standard of scrutiny by an amateur political philosopher on Turfwars.
Over my head... Wow. You really think a lot of yourself.
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Brown🎵Note😲 wrote:
I know that monochromatic thinking is kinda your stock and trade, but wanting the federal government to establish a basic minimal standard for how states treat their citizens is not at all the same as one-size-fits-all.One-size-fits-all government, eh? Good luck with that!
Be careful not to address that part of my argument. It might hold up to some mysterious standard of scrutiny by an amateur political philosopher on Turfwars.
Over my head... Wow. You really think a lot of yourself.
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I like how you tout the superiority of your achievements over people like your lower working class mother (K-Mart cashiers) while defending your own families honor. Classy as usual. You can't really be that shocked, can you? Your bizarre cocktail of entitlement, victimhood and resentment oozes from everything you write.
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★fnord★ wrote:
The incorporation of the bill of rights is quite enough for me, thanks.Brown🎵Note😲 wrote:
I know that monochromatic thinking is kinda your stock and trade, but wanting the federal government to establish a basic minimal standard for how states treat their citizens is not at all the same as one-size-fits-all.One-size-fits-all government, eh? Good luck with that!
Be careful not to address that part of my argument. It might hold up to some mysterious standard of scrutiny by an amateur political philosopher on Turfwars.
Over my head... Wow. You really think a lot of yourself.
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At no point were you either friendly or debating. Delusional to the very end.
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Why don't you all come to the UK,it's shit weather,our roads are shit,foods shit and our shits are shit buuuuuuut healthcare is free!!
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It's no coincidence that a gaggle of fools on Capitol Hill who talk EXACTLY like Brown does have intentionally driven this great country into a ditch. That's their entire morally bankrupt political philosophy in a nutshell.
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💩💩ᎡᏌᎠᏀᏓᏣᏌᎦ💩💩 wrote:
Well shit, my shit is shit too. Who knew?Why don't you all come to the UK,it's shit weather,our roads are shit,foods shit and our shits are shit buuuuuuut healthcare is free!!
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And they said raising the debt ceiling was a good idea... 😒
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The Affordable Care Act is neither affordable nor caring. If someone in the private sector perpetuated such a broad based fraud as has been done to us, they would be jailed!! Yet our "representatives" sit by and point fingers at the insurance industry like they are the ones that told us " if you like your doctor, you can keep your doctor"... And then exempt themselves from the law. Are we, the people just stupid?
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RepealObamacare wrote:
Yes, yes we areThe Affordable Care Act is neither affordable nor caring. If someone in the private sector perpetuated such a broad based fraud as has been done to us, they would be jailed!! Yet our "representatives" sit by and point fingers at the insurance industry like they are the ones that told us " if you like your doctor, you can keep your doctor"... And then exempt themselves from the law. Are we, the people just stupid?
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Goes up almost double in 2014
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