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💀༄ẙṳʗҡʘ༄💀 wrote:
Still talking to me 😂😂😂😂😂😂Yawn 😴. You need Friends in Real life. Go obsess over some one else. As far as naming turfs this or that it was in response to your foul language. As I recall the last group of friends you had threw you out.😂😂😂😂. That never gets old.😂😂😂. In the famous words of Gmoney "this is turf wars,not turf hugs". Your favorite word to use is loser. I think that's how you feel about your self that's why you love using that word. You're a disturbed individual an need help.
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Throughout the entire trial, the prosecution used not evidence, but the emotions of the jury and possible occurrences. Every one of the prosecutions statements consisted of if statements. The defense however used evidence, and witness testimony to "prove" the not-guilty verdict (all that was required was to bring upon doubt on the prosecution's case). This case was driven politically by a outroar of the people and media, and should have never been brought to court. Through the obvious lack of preparation by the prosecution, the jury would have been foolish to vote guilty on manslaughter and 2nd degree murder based on pure emotion and "if" statements.
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The standard in all criminal trials in the United States to find a defendant guilty is "proof beyond a reasonable doubt." This is an incredibly high standard. In spite of this the vast majority of defendants plead guilty as part of a plea agreement before trial. Of the remaining few cases that go to criminal trial most result in a conviction. (I'm too lazy to look it up, but I believe it is well over 90%.)
I find many aspects of this case troubling.
1) The special prosecutor did not present the facts in the case to a grand jury. Instead, she filed an information, supported by a probable cause affidavit. Although this is allowed under Florida law, in my opinion it would have been more appropriate to indict GZ through a Grand Jury, because there was no immediate threat to public safety.
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2) Several exculpatory pieces of information were omitted form the probable cause affidavit. e.g., the affidavit failed to mention any of the wounds GZ suffered, the affidavit did not include statements from eyewitness, John Good, that TM was on top of GZ striking him with mixed martial arts like blows. The affidavit only acknowledged there was "a struggle."
3) The affidavit says the voice heard on the tape was identified by TM's mother as being TM's. However the affidavit does not include the initial statement of TM's father that the voice on the tape was not TM's. (TM's father later said it was his son's voice.)
4) The affidavit says that the dispatcher told GZ not to follow TM and that GZ disregarded the dispatcher. Again, listen to the unedited tape. When told by the dispatcher they didnt need him to follow the individual, GZ answers "Ok," and begins returning to his vehicle. (This appears to be a complete misrepresentation of the facts. In other words, perjury.)
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5) The initial investigator and prosecutor declined to prosecute. (I don't know why for certain, but from what i have gathered, it appears they decided not to prosecute because they believed there was enough evidence to support GZ's claim he acted in self defense.)
6) Politicians became involved in the case, making incendiary comments often unsupported by fact.
7) The media further inflamed the unfortunate circumstances by selectively editing GZ's conversation with the police dispatcher to make it appear he followed TM solely because of his race. (in the unedited version one can hear the police dispatcher ask the race of the individual GZ was following. Only then did GZ identify the individual's race.)
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8) The media told us, and continue to perpetuate the myth that the police dispatcher told GZ not to follow TM. That is untrue. Listen to the unedited tapes. The dispatcher asks GZ if he is following the other person. GZ says he is, and the dispatcher tells him "we don't need you to do that." That is not the same as telling someone not to do something. Additionally, the unedited tapes show GZ said "Ok" when told he didn't need to follow and began to return to his vehicle.
9) Only one person who is still alive knows for certain how the initial meeting between GZ and TM occurred. However, most of the physical evidence supports GZ's account. Including the statements of the one eye witness who said she saw GZ on top of TM. GZ said after he shot TM he rolled him over and held is arms down. The injuries to GZ were consistent with his description, and an eyewitnesses (John Good) account, of how TM assaulted him.
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All these factors taken together lead me to believe there was strong political pressure to bring charges against GZ. Our criminal justice system is supposed to investigate a crime and bring charges when the evidence supports the charges, not because the victims family, other people, the media, or politicians want to see a prosecution. Furthermore, if the prosecutor does not believe the case is likely to result in conviction, he/she should not bring charges. It is best to wait and see if new evidence comes to light.
The probable cause affidavit is easily found online, the unedited call between GZ and the police dispatcher is similarly easy to find. Much of the evidence presented in the trial is also easily reviewed online.
Now let the barbs fly.
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That was a nice, thorough explanation ragnar.
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ℜagɳar Loðbrók wrote:
3) The affidavit says the voice heard on the tape was identified by TM's mother as being TM's. However the affidavit does not include the initial statement of TM's father that the voice on the tape was not TM's. (TM's father later said it was his son's voice.)
#2 I wish they would have allowed it because then they would have had to talk about the fact that George was MMA trained for a year and a half. Also worked as a bouncer.
#3 Zimmerman himself initially said the voice crying for help wasn't his. Until the investigator told him three times " this is you right". It wasn't until later he said it was him.
If you're gonna be helpful and non biased please accurately depict all that happened. -
As for # 4 how do you know George was going back to his car? The witness on the phone heard Treyvon say " why are you following me" and Zimmerman answer " what are you doing here" .... This doesn't fit the he jumped out of the bushes story George gave.
The fight started 40 feet from where he was shot. Why is that? Why isn't George by his car like he claims he was. -
⌖🔥ᎽoᎮ།λᎥϮ🔥⌖ wrote:
Because later in the call he tells the dispatcher to have responding officers meet him at his truck. It stands to reason he was headed toward his truck to await the officers arrival.As for # 4 how do you know George was going back to his car? The witness on the phone heard Treyvon say " why are you following me" and Zimmerman answer " what are you doing here" .... This doesn't fit the he jumped out of the bushes story George gave.
The fight started 40 feet from where he was shot. Why is that? Why isn't George by his car like he claims he was. -
Additionally, in the written statement GZ gave to the Sanford PD he said he was headed back to his truck after the dispatcher told him it was not necessary for him to follow the individual. At this point according to GZ's statements he did not know exactly where the other individual was. I know of no evidence that contradicts these statements.
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≼Ꮋ▲Ꮓ≽ wrote:
Someone needs to give that kid a dictionary.Some one needs to give that old man a metal.
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⌖🔥ᎽoᎮ།λᎥϮ🔥⌖ wrote:
He does have a record for being caught with stolen property and with burglary tools.★ICΞPICKʘЯTΞGΛ★ wrote:
What Mug shot Ice? The kid doesn't have a juvenile record? Any person with a tad bit of street smarts can look at the kids pics and tell he's soft. He's no thug. A thug would have been carrying a piece on him just like Zimmerman.As a neighborhood watch person, he has the right to follow and absolutely should have. Maybe Martin got pissed and said something, maybe Z did....not have his gun drawn before the altercation..I also love the fact the picture of Martin circulating is the one they took 3 years earler, why not show his mug shot???? Media played us all for fools and we fell for it
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Nobody in this thread can ever get upset at me for my forum antics again.
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⌖🔥ᎽoᎮ།λᎥϮ🔥⌖ wrote:
#2 I wish they would have allowed it because then they would have had to talk about the fact that George was MMA trained for a year and a half. Also worked as a bouncer.
If you're gonna be helpful and non biased please accurately depict all that happened.
A prosecution witness, Lindzee Folgate, the Physicians Assistant who examined GZ, testified GZ had high blood pressure, and was clinically obese.
Hardly a lean mean MMA expert.
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☬ᏴᏒᏐᏃᏃ☬ wrote:
Laws are serious matters, and not the kind of thing one should approach with a mind clouded by hate.Tweek wrote:
Nobody in this thread can ever get upset at me for my forum antics again.
I don't know. This is a very high emotion case. People are legitimately worried about the safety of their loved ones, which it seems they should be. I just think people are handling it the wrong way. The stand your ground law is an ambiguous, strange law that makes very little sense. Instead of getting mad about the trial, why not write the senators/congressman/etc in Florida and work to have that law repealed? I get that being angry on the Internet is easier but it's like those t-shirts say: quit bitching, start a revolution!
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ℜagɳar Loðbrók wrote:
Actually he told them to call his phone... I don't think he had any plans of being in his truck⌖🔥ᎽoᎮ།λᎥϮ🔥⌖ wrote:
Because later in the call he tells the dispatcher to have responding officers meet him at his truck. It stands to reason he was headed toward his truck to await the officers arrival.As for # 4 how do you know George was going back to his car? The witness on the phone heard Treyvon say " why are you following me" and Zimmerman answer " what are you doing here" .... This doesn't fit the he jumped out of the bushes story George gave.
The fight started 40 feet from where he was shot. Why is that? Why isn't George by his car like he claims he was. -
ℜagɳar Loðbrók wrote:
Yup he's quite the fatty now. Not so at the time of the incident though.⌖🔥ᎽoᎮ།λᎥϮ🔥⌖ wrote:
#2 I wish they would have allowed it because then they would have had to talk about the fact that George was MMA trained for a year and a half. Also worked as a bouncer.
If you're gonna be helpful and non biased please accurately depict all that happened.
A prosecution witness, Lindzee Folgate, the Physicians Assistant who examined GZ, testified GZ had high blood pressure, and was clinically obese.
Hardly a lean mean MMA expert.
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The Odd One wrote:
Again: No he does not please do some research.⌖🔥ᎽoᎮ།λᎥϮ🔥⌖ wrote:
He does have a record for being caught with stolen property and with burglary tools.★ICΞPICKʘЯTΞGΛ★ wrote:
What Mug shot Ice? The kid doesn't have a juvenile record? Any person with a tad bit of street smarts can look at the kids pics and tell he's soft. He's no thug. A thug would have been carrying a piece on him just like Zimmerman.As a neighborhood watch person, he has the right to follow and absolutely should have. Maybe Martin got pissed and said something, maybe Z did....not have his gun drawn before the altercation..I also love the fact the picture of Martin circulating is the one they took 3 years earler, why not show his mug shot???? Media played us all for fools and we fell for it
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Tweek wrote:
Mwahaha! It's times like these that make me feel a tiny bit better.Nobody in this thread can ever get upset at me for my forum antics again.
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⌖🔥ᎽoᎮ།λᎥϮ🔥⌖ wrote:
The PA was citing her findings during her examination of GZ the day after the shooting.ℜagɳar Loðbrók wrote:
Yup he's quite the fatty now. Not so at the time of the incident though.⌖🔥ᎽoᎮ།λᎥϮ🔥⌖ wrote:
#2 I wish they would have allowed it because then they would have had to talk about the fact that George was MMA trained for a year and a half. Also worked as a bouncer.
If you're gonna be helpful and non biased please accurately depict all that happened.
A prosecution witness, Lindzee Folgate, the Physicians Assistant who examined GZ, testified GZ had high blood pressure, and was clinically obese.
Hardly a lean mean MMA expert.
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☬ᏴᏒᏐᏃᏃ☬ wrote:
★MOИΞΥ★
A lot of things about this case doesn't add up. I could care less if the guy is racist or not. I personally don't believe he was a racist. I think he racially profiled a kid based on his own life experiences. That doesn't make me see him as a racist. He made a bad judgement call based on his own over zealous issues. This case should not have gone to trial as there wasn't any evidence to convict. Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson use Race as a paycheck. They both make me cringe. With all that being said..I don't like the fact that George followed a kid with a gun I would have thought he was a damn pedophile. We have police officers that are more than capable of handling the situation. I'm not bitching online Brizz. You can keep your tee shirt. It's good to get other ppls views. -
⌖🔥ᎽoᎮ།λᎥϮ🔥⌖ wrote:
ℜagɳar Loðbrók wrote:
⌖🔥ᎽoᎮ།λᎥϮ🔥⌖ wrote:
You are right about the call.As for # 4 how do you know George was going back to his car? The witness on the phone heard Treyvon say " why are you following me" and Zimmerman answer " what are you doing here" .... This doesn't fit the he jumped out of the bushes story George gave.
The fight started 40 feet from where he was shot. Why is that? Why isn't George by his car like he claims he was.
Actually he told them to call his phone... I don't think he had any plans of being in his truck
However, on page 2 of his written statement GZ says, "As I headed back to my vehicle the suspect emerged from darkness..." -
ℜagɳar Loðbrók wrote:
Agreed but in his interview he said he made it back to his truck to get a flashlight. He told two different stories and the investigator confronted him on that.⌖🔥ᎽoᎮ།λᎥϮ🔥⌖ wrote:
ℜagɳar Loðbrók wrote:
⌖🔥ᎽoᎮ།λᎥϮ🔥⌖ wrote:
You are right about the call.As
The fight started 40 feet from where he was shot. Why is that? Why isn't George by his car like he claims he was.
Actually he told them to call his phone... I don't think he had any plans of being in his truck
However, on page 2 of his written statement GZ says, "As I headed back to my vehicle the suspect emerged from darkness..." -
💀༄ẙṳʗҡʘ༄💀 wrote:
Lol I did. According to the law she should have killed him.Any one hear about Marissa Alexander? Faces 20 years in prison after firing a warning shot to scare off her abusive husband? No one was killed or injured and her husband even signed a confession saying he hit her during her pregnancy. Same prosecutor. Excessive IMO.
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⌖🔥ᎽoᎮ།λᎥϮ🔥⌖ wrote:
Great. An investigator usually finds inconsistencies in a suspect's statements. In fact in case where they don't there should be concern regarding a scripted response. The fact is GZ cooperated with the investigation over several days, stretching into weeks. He provided several face to face and telephone interviews. People with things to hide seldom do this. In one case the investigator even attempted a ruse, telling GZ, we have found a video recording of the entire encounter between you and TM. GZ's response was "thank God." Why would he say that? because he knew the video would support his version of events.
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ℜagɳar Loðbrók wrote:
Lol in fact I do. George doesn't believe he did anything wrong. He doesn't believe he was wrong in getting out of his truck in the first place. Quite frankly if the tape revealed that he in fact was the aggressor it wouldn't have made a damn difference. All he had to prove was that in the moment before he pulled the trigger he was scared for his life.⌖🔥ᎽoᎮ།λᎥϮ🔥⌖ wrote:
Or do you have a better explanation for that response?
Had he simply called the cops ( about a kid walking home) and took his ass home we wouldn't be having this conversation at all. In a day in age where you teach your kids not to talk to strangers and Kids Treyvon's age are captured and sodomized. Why are you running around playing Barney Fife? -
That's not true. You cannot start a fight, then claim you acted in self defense when you took the other person's life because the fight didn't go the way you thought it would.
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It is not a crime to follow somebody on a public sidewalk. I agree GZ could have handled things better. That doesn't mean he should have been prosecuted.
The prosecution of GZ was brought to satisfy TM's family, the media, and other outside agitators, not based on an objective consideration of all the facts. Including GZ's right to self defense.
The jury got it right.
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