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Few things:
In Texas, you are not compensated for labor. Nothing. If u refuse to work then it's brought up at your parole hearing.
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BakedBananas wrote:
The prison system in the UK is way too lenient, partly due to ridiculous insertions to the European Human Rights Act, the officers are primarily used as counsellors to the inmates. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying they shouldn't have rights, but the way things are, most inmates have a richer life behind bars than a lot of people on the outside.I watched a program a couple of weeks ago about Wormwood Scrubs, a notorious prison in London, UK. I was surprised at how respectful the guards were to the prisoners, and the lack of weapons the guards had. They also had many women guards in a men's prison - not girlfriend-type guards, more like mother/grandmother-types. Seemed to work very well. It would be interesting to see a similar program about an American prison to compare their methods of control.
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Prisoners should be allowed to play TW.
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✮⇚❹☠❶☠❺⇛✮ wrote:
We are all prisoners of this game.Prisoners should be allowed to play TW.
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wow. the lack of empathy is... expected, yet troubling to me... humanity is certainly in a state of arrested development whenn you really take the time to think about what we are saying about each other.
we are like a race of relative strangers, with no regard for integrity when dealing with one another...
revenge and justice arent as important as empathy and integrity.
just my opinion but i am only human.
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GreenManXphile wrote:
I always address the inmates as sir. I give them all the respect I'm allowed to. In return, they spit on me and call me a pig. Most of them are decent as far as stone cold killers and child molesters can be, but there are a few that I would like to take out back and beat to death.wow. the lack of empathy is... expected, yet troubling to me... humanity is certainly in a state of arrested development whenn you really take the time to think about what we are saying about each other.
we are like a race of relative strangers, with no regard for integrity when dealing with one another...
revenge and justice arent as important as empathy and integrity.
just my opinion but i am only human.
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i hear ya. honestly im conflicted myself about the topic. but all i know is we cant lower ourselves to those standards.
some of those guys, as far as im concerned, arent even fully human. regardless we need to be of higher standard. or else what authority are we to judge them?
either way im with ya man. i didnt mean to call you out or anything. i guess i was speaking generally somewhat.
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☣ 🎸ӈɪƖƖßıƖƖγ🎸☣ wrote:
You're a good man, hillbilly. WV can produce some respectable folks. Most of my experiences aren't great (my family is from there 😳)GreenManXphile wrote:
I always address the inmates as sir. I give them all the respect I'm allowed to. In return, they spit on me and call me a pig. Most of them are decent as far as stone cold killers and child molesters can be, but there are a few that I would like to take out back and beat to death.wow. the lack of empathy is... expected, yet troubling to me... humanity is certainly in a state of arrested development whenn you really take the time to think about what we are saying about each other.
we are like a race of relative strangers, with no regard for integrity when dealing with one another...
revenge and justice arent as important as empathy and integrity.
just my opinion but i am only human.
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BakedBananas wrote:
That's how it works here too. Surprisingly, the inmates are very respectful towards women.I watched a program a couple of weeks ago about Wormwood Scrubs, a notorious prison in London, UK. I was surprised at how respectful the guards were to the prisoners, and the lack of weapons the guards had. They also had many women guards in a men's prison - not girlfriend-type guards, more like mother/grandmother-types. Seemed to work very well. It would be interesting to see a similar program about an American prison to compare their methods of control.
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Inmates, irregardless of their crimes, are still human beings. They have rights, just as any other person in our society, and those rights should be respected and upheld.
If you cannot keep a professional demeanor about you when working with them then you don't belong in corrections. -
🏃꓄rձυꍌ٤ɼلఠꍌꍌ٤ɼ wrote:
Most people accused are innocent... Not!!! 99% of the people in jail committed the crime. Maybe.qweeter1997 wrote:
That would totally suck if it was an innocent person falsely accused of the crime that got them in prison.I think the prisoner should pay for his own health care. If he can't afford it then he goes in debt.
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You know how crime is lowered? Execution. No repeat offenders and people are too scared to commit crimes. China has the highest execution rate, and they have less crime than we do. I lived there, a man stole my watch, and I watched a policeman grab him and shoot him in the street. No due process, but then again, he grabbed my watch and I yelled that he took it while he was running away. I am positive he will not be a repeat offender. :)
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Nakyd wrote:
Yes, China is a beacon of hope when it comes to respecting human and civil rights, isn't it?You know how crime is lowered? Execution. No repeat offenders and people are too scared to commit crimes. China has the highest execution rate, and they have less crime than we do. I lived there, a man stole my watch, and I watched a policeman grab him and shoot him in the street. No due process, but then again, he grabbed my watch and I yelled that he took it while he was running away. I am positive he will not be a repeat offender. :)
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Hillbilly, I worked in a prison for a while.
Would you say that the reason prison doesn't "fix" people would be because it isn't hard enough, or because of nonexistent, ineffective, and uncared for rehabilitation programs?
Do we really need to make it harder?
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Nakyd wrote:
That wasn't because he stole your watch.You know how crime is lowered? Execution. No repeat offenders and people are too scared to commit crimes. China has the highest execution rate, and they have less crime than we do. I lived there, a man stole my watch, and I watched a policeman grab him and shoot him in the street. No due process, but then again, he grabbed my watch and I yelled that he took it while he was running away. I am positive he will not be a repeat offender. :)
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My thoughts;
1) isn't Wormwood Scrubs a mental hospital for the criminally insane? I might be wrong there.....
2) I understand that many prisoners behave less than human but really do we lower ourselves to their level? If we behave like the lowest common denominator then society is finished....
3) China has a poor reputation for human rights, empathy and value of human life. A child run over not once but twice and no one renders assistance. The corruption has meant that many are in jail because they stood up to those in power.
4) in my opinion jails just teach most criminals more criminal skills. Either they need to be placed where they can't return to society or there needs to be a new approach.
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Here's some food for thought:
Compare prison healthcare to nursing home healthcare. Which is better? -
Prisons in the states should be run like Russian prisons. Private run prisons are a joke.
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mathamatics wrote:
The Police man asked if he stole my watch, I said yes and he shot him. Most surprising thing that has ever happens to me.Nakyd wrote:
That wasn't because he stole your watch.You know how crime is lowered? Execution. No repeat offenders and people are too scared to commit crimes. China has the highest execution rate, and they have less crime than we do. I lived there, a man stole my watch, and I watched a policeman grab him and shoot him in the street. No due process, but then again, he grabbed my watch and I yelled that he took it while he was running away. I am positive he will not be a repeat offender. :)
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Maybe Katie wrote:
They have really low crime, and isn't crime in some ways a violation of human rights to property, life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. I say an eye for an eye and then some. Jail is NOT rehab. It is a punishment. Jails were originally put in place to serve as a waiting room for the gallows.Nakyd wrote:
Yes, China is a beacon of hope when it comes to respecting human and civil rights, isn't it?You know how crime is lowered? Execution. No repeat offenders and people are too scared to commit crimes. China has the highest execution rate, and they have less crime than we do. I lived there, a man stole my watch, and I watched a policeman grab him and shoot him in the street. No due process, but then again, he grabbed my watch and I yelled that he took it while he was running away. I am positive he will not be a repeat offender. :)
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Nakyd wrote:
You used China as an example? Really? A country that promotes sweatshops with kids forced to work in them, a country that manufactures products that a made with hazardous chemicals that kill people everyday? What about the toys that they make for export to the United States that are painted with lead based paints, Chinese drywall.You know how crime is lowered? Execution. No repeat offenders and people are too scared to commit crimes. China has the highest execution rate, and they have less crime than we do. I lived there, a man stole my watch, and I watched a policeman grab him and shoot him in the street. No due process, but then again, he grabbed my watch and I yelled that he took it while he was running away. I am positive he will not be a repeat offender. :)
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So you have never stolen something as a child? Every kid has. Let me tell you something I have been behind the walls of prisons and I am a man I did the crime and I took my lick and served my time. The guards that showed me respect I gave them the same respect back. Do you know that the large majority of the United States prison population is made up of first time drug offenders? Mostly kids who made a mistake and who deserve a chance at life. So yes rehabilitation should be more of a concern then just locking them up and throwing away the key.
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I'm not against having prisons. There are a lot of people who deserve to be there,but there are also a lot of people who got caught up with the wrong crowd and deserve to have a second chance at having a good productive life.
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Hard Hitta wrote:
So you're saying it isn't their fault. I am saying prison shouldn't be a rehabilitation center.I'm not against having prisons. There are a lot of people who deserve to be there,but there are also a lot of people who got caught up with the wrong crowd and deserve to have a second chance at having a good productive life.
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Nakyd wrote:
Hard Hitta wrote:
So you're saying it isn't their fault. I am saying prison shouldn't be a rehabilitation center.I'm not against having prisons. There are a lot of people who deserve to be there,but there are also a lot of people who got caught up with the wrong crowd and deserve to have a second chance at having a good productive life.
You realize that most of those people will be released. Why not try to rehabilitate them? I spent 3 years in Texas prison. There was zero rehabilitation. It's just a warehouse for people. I was smart enough to change on my own, but why not give the others a skill that will help them? I already have to check the little box that I'm a felon, so all I have is work ethic to land a job. I've been lucky enough that some would look past my past, but if everybody thought like you did I'd be back in prison along time ago.
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No no no, I mean for murderers and attempted murderers and rapists, they frankly don't deserve a second chance. I think drug addicts and nonviolent robbers should go serve a small sentence then go to a rehab center. I assume the charges against you were minor, as you only served 3 years
You realize that most of those people will be released. Why not try to rehabilitate them? I spent 3 years in Texas prison. There was zero rehabilitation. It's just a warehouse for people. I was smart enough to change on my own, but why not give the others a skill that will help them? I already have to check the little box that I'm a felon, so all I have is work ethic to land a job. I've been lucky enough that some would look past my past, but if everybody thought like you did I'd be back in prison along time ago.
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The prison system in the UK is way too lenient, partly due to ridiculous insertions to the European Human Rights Act, the officers are primarily used as counsellors to the inmates. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying they shouldn't have rights, but the way things are, most inmates have a richer life behind bars than a lot of people on the outside.
May I ask how you know this as I can tell you that's not the case. In fact the uk prison service is an absolute joke, it is meant to rehabilitate but doesn't. The reoffending rates are rediculous and the whole thing needs a massive overhaul. How about we all concentrate less on moaning about the cushy life these people who are locked away from family and friends get and actually try to address why they are there in the first place so we can then stop it happening again...... -
Nakyd wrote:
Who would you rather have live next to you? A released prisoner that was rehabilitated, or a lunatic that sat in an empty cell for ten years?Hard Hitta wrote:
So you're saying it isn't their fault. I am saying prison shouldn't be a rehabilitation center.I'm not against having prisons. There are a lot of people who deserve to be there,but there are also a lot of people who got caught up with the wrong crowd and deserve to have a second chance at having a good productive life.
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Nakyd wrote:
No that was just the policemans excuse there is alot more going on in that than you see, they are alot more corrupt in the police forces all over the world than you think.mathamatics wrote:
The Police man asked if he stole my watch, I said yes and he shot him. Most surprising thing that has ever happens to me.Nakyd wrote:
That wasn't because he stole your watch.You know how crime is lowered? Execution. No repeat offenders and people are too scared to commit crimes. China has the highest execution rate, and they have less crime than we do. I lived there, a man stole my watch, and I watched a policeman grab him and shoot him in the street. No due process, but then again, he grabbed my watch and I yelled that he took it while he was running away. I am positive he will not be a repeat offender. :)
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Nakyd wrote:
Then you shouldn't have over generalized.ᎷᎪᏟᏦᎷᎬᏟᎻ
No no no, I mean for murderers and attempted murderers and rapists, they frankly don't deserve a second chance. I think drug addicts and nonviolent robbers should go serve a small sentence then go to a rehab center. I assume the charges against you were minor, as you only served 3 yearsYou realize that most of those people will be released. Why not try to rehabilitate them? I spent 3 years in Texas prison. There was zero rehabilitation. It's just a warehouse for people. I was smart enough to change on my own, but why not give the others a skill that will help them? I already have to check the little box that I'm a felon, so all I have is work ethic to land a job. I've been lucky enough that some would look past my past, but if everybody thought like you did I'd be back in prison along time ago.
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