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If you belong to a religion such as the Christian faith which America was built on you believe in sets of freedoms. Cults believe in control and can be clearly separated from religion because of this.
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Didn't the "red shift" prove the universe was created? And therefore debunk budhism's belief in an eternal universe?
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Reaper1 wrote:
Johnny Cage 👊add cage👊 wrote:
Now that's deep! But so true!Athiesm denies the existence of god and places the individual in His place. Quite often atheists are as fervent evangelists for their school of thought as their religious counterparts....
Well said
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Ok. Who can argue this. If it was possible to create you to the very last detail. A DNA replica that's 100%. a brain that has every memory, thought you have ever had. There would be no difference at all. If you were then killed would it matter? You are alive in another body. It would wouldn't it. All that stuff means nothing. There is a part of us we can't replicate...
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Howard wrote:
Sure thing bro, good call👍👍👍👍When you say about cults and religions being the same thing I agree! Religions just have more followers, many religious people would go mad a cults where children are brainwashed into believing a certain idea. However when parents send children to religious schools they are taught only one idea, only the idea of creationism or whatever that religion believes in. This is outrageous would you not agree?
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Creation and Evoloution are both unproven theories and therefore both require faith.... If you believe blindly in evolution you require as much faith as a religious man...
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Johnny Cage 👊add cage👊 wrote:
Creation and Evoloution are both unproven theories and therefore both require faith.... If you believe blindly in evolution you require as much faith as a religious man...
Not to mention evolution only deals with what took place after the first living cell already existed, and there is no scientific explanation that holds any weight as of yet to explain the spontaneous generation of this first living cell.
But I guess we could listen to Richard Dawkins and believe that the first cell could have been placed on Earth by intelligent aliens, bit definitely not a God
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Johnny Cage 👊add cage👊 wrote:
I don't believe in any 1 god and I don't practice any religion. I don't disbeleive in an existence, but in the cold light of day the story of the bible for example seems a bit far fetched to me. It's my right as a human being to choose what I want to believe in, but that right is slowly starting to be taken away, people are being killed for believing in a different god or worshipping in a different way. War is usually always (if you look into it deep)started by religion but fronted with a a feeble excuse,Athiesm denies the existence of god and places the individual in His place. Quite often atheists are as fervent evangelists for their school of thought as their religious counterparts....
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GatorFarm wrote:
Haha maybe I didn't phrase that correctly, religion was founded to make money in times where there was very little around.In regard to the money issue:
That goes against your point really because you were saying a lot of people are Christians for money purposes. But what percentage of Christians are priests, etc, That get these benefits u speak of? Not a significant enough amount to argue your point. Not to mention Those of these Christians who are the vast, vast majority in your scenario are the ones giving The money. So the opposite of your point is in fact true. That if you are a Christian you are far more likely to lose money then gain.
If you wan to change your point to, "people become priests, pastors, etc for money it would have more merit"
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People have been dying for believing something different for a very long time... It is your right in America to believe what you like because your fore fathers built it that way because of their religious beliefs. War is never started by religion but by people acting in the name of their god or religion...
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Ok what I'm saying with the school thing is that there shouldn't be religious schools at all, if the parents have made up their minds then that's fine, however when they don't allow their children to learn other important ideas, then it wrong. In normal schools children can learn about science and scientific ideas and religious beliefs. It allows them to make their own mind up and gives them a wider view on life, which can only be a good thing. This appears to me to be mass brainwashing of many children in a generation, in my opinion. The fact that in these schools they are taught that only one thing is right and everything else is wrong, even though their religion doesn't have any proof for existence. I believe that by sending children to a religious school denies them their freedom of religion.
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As for saying cults have bizarre characteristics, so a talking snake asking a man and a woman to eat some fruit from a forbidden tree isn't weird to you?
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Johnny Cage 👊add cage👊 wrote:
Proberbly needed to describe what I meant a little better johnny but you have just hit the nail on the head for me, cowardly people killing while hiding behind the name of a god, 👍👍People have been dying for believing something different for a very long time... It is your right in America to believe what you like because your fore fathers built it that way because of their religious beliefs. War is never started by religion but by people acting in the name of their god or religion...
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Howard, You are specifically referring to Christianity which was started by 12 men who were killed by their goverment for their faith and who died poor men. Most religions are born through adversity and grow through persecution..... Judaism, Christianity, Mormonism, Islam all their early major prophets were killed for their faith.
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I'll take a look at those books and I'll be back in a sec with a couple you should take a look at.
However you seem to have dodged my question, which I will continue to ask. What created God? -
Reaper1 wrote:
The difference between atheists and religious folks is this: atheists usually believe in science which is based on a greater base of fact as time goes by. When new evidence comes up the theories etc change and adapt. They can refer to evidence and that increases over time. Religious types (who I'm not knocking) don't have that. Their arguments begin with "I believe..." and that's all. They have no evidence to back it up. Atheists I'm sure would change their mind IF there was evidence of god or whatever. There isn't.Johnny Cage 👊add cage👊 wrote:
Now that's deep! But so true!Athiesm denies the existence of god and places the individual in His place. Quite often atheists are as fervent evangelists for their school of thought as their religious counterparts....
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Do you truly believe the extremist who blew the twin towers did it in the name of Islam,where does it state in their holy book that alla wants people to die for being non believers, it was born out of greed, explanation not attached as it could last for a while and go very deep
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Howard wrote:
Who created Gid or what caused the Big Bang are questions of faith not fact...I'll take a look at those books and I'll be back in a sec with a couple you should take a look at.
However you seem to have dodged my question, which I will continue to ask. What created God? -
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Lol... God not GidHoward wrote:
Who created Gid or what caused the Big Bang are questions of faith not fact...I'll take a look at those books and I'll be back in a sec with a couple you should take a look at.
However you seem to have dodged my question, which I will continue to ask. What created God? -
Johnny Cage 👊add cage👊 wrote:
I'm picking up on that because there have been mentions of how many holes there are in scienceHoward wrote:
Who created Gid or what caused the Big Bang are questions of faith not fact...I'll take a look at those books and I'll be back in a sec with a couple you should take a look at.
However you seem to have dodged my question, which I will continue to ask. What created God? -
In normal schools children can learn about science and scientific ideas and religious beliefs. It allows them to make their own mind up and gives them a wider view on life, which can only be a good thing. This appears to me to be mass brainwashing of many children in a generation, in my opinion. The fact that in these schools they are taught that only one thing is right and everything else is wrong, even though their religion doesn't have any proof for existence. I believe that by sending children to a religious school denies them their freedom of religion.
This is absurd, these days if a teacher even mentions God they are ridiculed, so don't act like public school are fair and balanced they are atheist driven evolution pushing liberals IMO
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Howard wrote:
I'll take a look at those books and I'll be back in a sec with a couple you should take a look at.
However you seem to have dodged my question, which I will continue to ask. What created God?Se this is explained in the books, and the problem lies within the question.
Why does God have to be created? You are assuming God conforms to the parameters of our physical world. He is eternal, which is a tough concept to understand when we are living in a universe that has time. I believe CS Lewis talks bout this as well.
But this question is basically like the one "Can God create a Rock he can not Ben lift"
If you look at top atheists arguments they usually don't use these because they are merely word games
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The difference between atheists and religious folks is this: atheists usually believe in science which is based on a greater base of fact as time goes by. When new evidence comes up the theories etc change and adapt. They can refer to evidence and that increases over time. Religious types (who I'm not knocking) don't have that. Their arguments begin with "I believe..." and that's all. They have no evidence to back it up. Atheists I'm sure would change their mind IF there was evidence of god or whatever. There isn't.
Wow thank you for bringing to my attention the biggest misconception in this debate. Science and religion are not against one another. Science and religion go hand in hand IMO
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Actually scientists have recreated life from inanimate objects. Evolution has more going for it that creationism.
If you believe in faith, what makes you arrogant enough to believe that god will listen to you over dying African children?
What about amputees?
Religion is the opium of the masses. People like to think they get rewarded at the end for being a good Samaritan.
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Reaper1 wrote:
ROFLMFAOOL AAAAAHAHAAHAHA IMAGINARY FRIEND!!!!!! 😹 Thats awesome LMAO REAPER1 you will forever be on my good side 😭Where a lot of angry people argue and fight about who has the best imaginary friend. I just don't get it. Always good for a debate though...
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ripd wrote:
Actually scientists have recreated life from inanimate objects. Evolution has more going for it that creationism.
If you believe in faith, what makes you arrogant enough to believe that god will listen to you over dying African children?
What about amputees?
Religion is the opium of the masses. People like to think they get rewarded at the end for being a good Samaritan.
Please cite first statement.... I believe you are referring to dr. Venter replicating a strand of DNA and placing it into a cell which then replicated itself. First off it is a completely mislead accusation because the yeast cell's DNA was placed in a living organism (bacteria I believe)
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I'm having trouble finding it to be honest. What I heard was prob bullshit then. However, they can recreate amino acids. They can make DNA. Genitic engineering in 5 years will spawn life in a controlled environment.
On an unrelated note, whether or not evolution or creationism is true, genetic mutation IS true. DNA can change. This proves that we CAN evolve.
Most creationist deny this, and at that point there's no arguing with a brickwall
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I would love to debate u on evolution alone :)
What they did was simply mislabeled, although very impressive nonetheless. However they are recreating a pretty short strand of DNA here and placing it in a once living organism body, the degree of expertise to do this is astounding... As even more crazy is the idea that something similar to what they just spent years doing happened spontaneously
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Of course DNA can mutate and change however that is not the same thing as evolution, although it is the catalyst for it.
But you are completely misrepresenting the general creationist stance, which is that mutations cause differences within a population but not speciation
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What is speciation? It's a series of mutations that compound eachother so that you no longer recognize the species. That doesn't always happen, hence many breeds of dogs.
The wicked amount of expertise to create a long lengnth of DNA is probably not possible right now. Computers will change that though. They can process the calculations
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