"Right to Work"
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Does anyone live in a state where this bill has been put into effect? If so how is it working out?
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Workers in states with the so called "Right to Work" laws make an average of $1500 less then this with free collective bargaining rights. I'm curious to anyone in these different states on their opinion and it's impact on their workforce.
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Add TOW™ wrote:
You series? Our differences aside. Why do you feel this is an approvment?About time 👍. Best thing to happen in this state!!
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They went to Vegas and and had a hell of a time!
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My brother lived in Texas n worked for a bus repair facility his pay was 16.00 an hour for class A diesel mechanic. He now lives in Mich does same job but diff company his pay is 22.75 an hour. Texas is a right to work state. I make about 1200.00 more a month than I did working doing same job in Texas. All though I do believe joining a union should be voluntary, but you should only get union benefits if you join.
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Glock45 wrote:
I agree with you there!My brother lived in Texas n worked for a bus repair facility his pay was 16.00 an hour for class A diesel mechanic. He now lives in Mich does same job but diff company his pay is 22.75 an hour. Texas is a right to work state. I make about 1200.00 more a month than I did working doing same job in Texas. All though I do believe joining a union should be voluntary, but you should only get union benefits if you join.
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Add TOW™ wrote:
Will you be happy with all the new jobs that will open up that will pay low wages?Why should I be forced to support an organization just because I want to work?
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As far as I know, you have the option to opt out of any union and not pay dues. However the backlash of working in a union shop and not supporting the union could be severe. I have a buddy who opted out of the IAFF (firefighter's union) and continued to work at his department. I, personally, am indifferent to unions. I belonged to a union while working for General Motors. They only time it "helped" me directly was when I got in trouble. Other than that I only saw them around election time and contract time.
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Add TOW™ wrote:
Agreed. Unions don't serve the same purpose as when they were first formed.Demario wrote:
Not all jobs are "union" jobs. There are plenty of jobs that offer competitive wages that are not union. Unions have been necessary early on but I don't feel they serve the same purpose now.Add TOW™ wrote:
Will you be happy with all the new jobs that will open up that will pay low wages?Why should I be forced to support an organization just because I want to work?
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Article I Section 10 united States Constitution: "No State shall......pass any law impairing the obligation of contracts....". So called right to work laws are unconstitutional.
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Add TOW™ wrote:
Why should I be forced to support an organization just because I want to work?
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Unions are great for the most part, but some are just corrupt to the bone and take money from the employee to put in their own pockets or in a politician's pocket. Workers should be able to choose. In some cases workers actually keep more money without the union than with the union.
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@TOW and ffmedic4143. I also agree. The unions were created to protect workers from unjust circumstances, I believe during the time when our government had a laissez faire view on companies and organizations. At that time the union was needed, now, with the technology and organizations where you can get help the unions are obsolete. Hell they are basically a company for making money. That's my take on it.
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heres a fun fact for you. two workers were in a factory smoking weed and drinking beer ON THE JOB. the owner fired them but, since the workers were a part of the union, the union forced the owner to reinstate them. this was a true story from an auto factory in mischigan.
oh yeah, demario. your second post is straight from a politically swayed ad i just saw on TV. that just shows your lack of valid information.
unions were good when there were labor violations (child labor, penny per hour) back in the industrial revolution and even early to mid 20th century. now they are holding the private sector down, largely harming the economy.
there were also several construstion firms in michigan saying this law will allow them to hire more people with less restrictions.
in case you couldnt tell,
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the Anarchist wrote:
I'm gonna 1-up ya here....at the auto plant I worked at, an employee was found to have cocaine on his person. Was "fired" for 6 months. Union got him reinstated WITH back pay for the 6 months he was "fired"heres a fun fact for you. two workers were in a factory smoking weed and drinking beer ON THE JOB. the owner fired them but, since the workers were a part of the union, the union forced the owner to reinstate them. this was a true story from an auto factory in mischigan.
oh yeah, demario. your second post is straight from a politically swayed ad i just saw on TV. that just shows your lack of valid information......✂
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Glock45 wrote:
How much did he leave at the job paying dues, increased federal taxes and state taxes?My brother lived in Texas n worked for a bus repair facility his pay was 16.00 an hour for class A diesel mechanic. He now lives in Mich does same job but diff company his pay is 22.75 an hour. Texas is a right to work state. I make about 1200.00 more a month than I did working doing same job in Texas. All though I do believe joining a union should be voluntary, but you should only get union benefits if you join.
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MrZigler wrote:
Can you pull out that same document you are quoting and show us where unions gain their power to force me to pay them for the right to work In a certain industry? I believe in the new bill passed in Michigan all contractual obligations are being maintained.Article I Section 10 united States Constitution: "No State shall......pass any law impairing the obligation of contracts....". So called right to work laws are unconstitutional.
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vwtech wrote:
True that. I was in a govt job for eight years that was covered by a union. The union reps went to training in Vegas (twice), Colorado Springs, Orlando, Honolulu, San Fransico (twice), and Houston.They went to Vegas and and had a hell of a time!
Now my position is no longer eligible to be represented by a Union, and I earn more. I feel no more or less anxiety regarding my job security or ill treatment from management.
I don't remember the union ever doing anything for me. I do remember them defending people who had done things I considered indefensible. I don't miss the union.
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Add TOW™ wrote:
You have a good point. Unions also fight for fair wages. Are you gonna be happy with all the new jobs that will become available at a less wage then an employee doing the same thing now will get paid less?@ demario
Unions gave everyone the 5 day work week and paid vacations or paid leave. Do you believe that everyone who isn't forced to join and pay union dues should have to work 7 days a week and receive no paid leave? -
ℜagɳar Loðbrók wrote:
There is Definatly pros & cons to having a union.vwtech wrote:
True that. I was in a govt job for eight years that was covered by a union. The union reps went to training in Vegas (twice), Colorado Springs, Orlando, Honolulu, San Fransico (twice), and Houston.They went to Vegas and and had a hell of a time!
Now my position is no longer eligible to be represented by a Union, and I earn more. I feel no more or less anxiety regarding my job security or ill treatment from management.
I don't remember the union ever doing anything for me. I do remember them defending people who had done things I considered indefensible. I don't miss the union.
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Yu can alredy opt out,
This is 🐒💩 -
Antichrist I really am loosing respect for you. While I was at the rally at the Capitol it was one of the many things that was being said I agreed with. So while you sit on your couch at home and listen to what the news wants you to hear. You use what the news tells u to make accusations. Get off your ass and do somthing about it. Protestors from both sides were there. Where we're you?
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I learns about this in Econ yesterday😱 school is everywhere more😱😱😨
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ʟɛx тooтʜɛʀ™ wrote:
@ Demario, if the employees feel that their wages are unfairly low, they can join a union. Right to work laws are giving people the CHOICE, not forcing people to leave a union or not let them join one.Demario wrote:
Could they be fighting for "fair wages" so you can afford to pay their "dues"?Add TOW™ wrote:
You have a good point. Unions also fight for fair wages. Are you gonna be happy with all the new jobs that will become available at a less wage then an employee doing the same thing now will get paid less?@ demario
Unions gave everyone the 5 day work week and paid vacations or paid leave. Do you believe that everyone who isn't forced to join and pay union dues should have to work 7 days a week and receive no paid leave? -
I'm in a right to work state. Also in a company that is 50% union and 50% non-union (depending on the division/building your in). I'm on the non-union side and while union employees bring home larger paychecks, the non-union employees have a better benefit package and also receive yearly awards that union employees do not get because our market fluctuates and they did not negotiate them when they did their contract.
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knee bender wrote:
Start a new business, I got downsized in June, and I started a business. You have as much of a right to work in a certain industry as I do.MrZigler wrote:
Can you pull out that same document you are quoting and show us where unions gain their power to force me to pay them for the right to work In a certain industry? I believe in the new bill passed in Michigan all contractual obligations are being maintained.Article I Section 10 united States Constitution: "No State shall......pass any law impairing the obligation of contracts....". So called right to work laws are unconstitutional.
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I was a teamster with UPS & could not opt out, even though I was part time. They took $50 a month (that's a lot as a part time worker, full time student) & I got a turkey at Thanksgiving & Christmas. I'm with with IAFF now & they seem more honest. I have mixed feelings because I do appreciate some of the things unions have brought to the workers, but many of those gains are the same things that caused us to no longer be competitive in the global market. You can't pay an unskilled auto worker $40/hour to man an assembly line installing headlights and still produce a cost effective product. Especially when you throw in full medical, full retirement, & the inability to fire those who aren't good workers. It's all great if you are the worker, but not if you are the company or the consumer.
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Glock45 wrote:
Serious dude? Jesus Christ! A diesel mechanic down here in oz wouldn't be on anything lower than $25 an hour!My brother lived in Texas n worked for a bus repair facility his pay was 16.00 an hour for class A diesel mechanic. He now lives in Mich does same job but diff company his pay is 22.75 an hour. Texas is a right to work state. I make about 1200.00 more a month than I did working doing same job in Texas. All though I do believe joining a union should be voluntary, but you should only get union benefits if you join.
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I'm not sure how Michigans right to work bill is written but there are things unions can set up to strong arm people into joining. I once worked in a maintenance yard the company was a county job that had a union option. If you joined the union your dues were 22$ a week, you had an option not to join however if you didn't you paid a 38$ weekly donation to the union for working at a union facility. Always found that funny and there were a few who refused to join. They were paid the same rates as the union workers.
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Unions... I don't really have an opinion on the subject, most of the time. However, the ability to not be able to fire an incompetent worker is a good point. Look at the teachers out there making $50k plus for 9 months of work and have a bad attitude and teach a child almost nothing....
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Glock45 wrote:
Do you know for a fact that the difference in pay didn't come from the difference in cost of living? Idk about Michigan, but Texas tends to have a relatively low cost of living.My brother lived in Texas n worked for a bus repair facility his pay was 16.00 an hour for class A diesel mechanic. He now lives in Mich does same job but diff company his pay is 22.75 an hour. Texas is a right to work state. I make about 1200.00 more a month than I did working doing same job in Texas. All though I do believe joining a union should be voluntary, but you should only get union benefits if you join.
I would hate being forced to join a union. I've lived in Texas my entire life & actually can't think of anyone I know that's ever been in a union. I think they were very important in the past. I'm not sure what purpose they serve these days.
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