Life should mean life!!!
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~ Ƒızzøƞɛ ~ 🅱🅾🅰 wrote:
Norway can afford it, unlike the States, they have very little issues with their judicial system. We won't have to worry about him.Marilyn wrote:
I'm assuming that preventive detention is similar to washingtons civil commitment program in that after the sentence is served, they can be deemed unsafe to society and remain incarcerated indefinitely. If that's correct, I think it's a terrible system. It waisted huge amounts of tax dollars to keep these offenders separate from regular inmates and gives them access to certain rights. Here, it allows them to go through constant appeals all at tax payer expense. When someone commits a violent crime and shows no remorse, especially on a scale such as this, end it there. Death penalty, no appeals, no second chances.Yes, it is 21 years but with preventive detention, which means it is unlikely he will ever be released.
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@ McCurdle
do you think everyone should share your liberal view
Breivik is one guy that wouldn't,
u would be his first hit.
He is Hitler reincarnation
would u say Hitler n Himmler should have been treated lightly and as respectful human beings?
do u deny the holocaust?
And hideous experiments they placed on innocent women and children?
Some people are not worthy, it's people like you that make me sick n entirely what is wrong wit this world.
Breivik's remaining days should be hell on earth, no execution, just constant torture for the torture that some like him have left on the innocent people that they have destroyed -
I read an article awhile back on this guy and he will be segregated from all other prisoners, however in Norway it is illegal to completely segregate a person. So what they are doing is hiring people to be his "friend" and they will come into prison and play chess and stuff with him.
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ϻ͞ċȵя͟ɗƖҽ wrote:
Incorrect. Not all life is sacred. Once he killed one innocent life, he forfeited his. It wasn't even revenge related. It was cold blooded murder👣💀ÇℍĮҜƎƝ💀👣 wrote:
Because all life is sacred, even that of the sinners, murderers, and other 'bad' people. If we kill him, we're just as bad as he is. People seem to have forgotten that equality extends to EVERYONE, not just people you like.243-165-789 wrote:
No. No no no. People like that don't deserve a second chance, period. 77 people won't have a second chance because of him, why the hell should he get one?dc one wrote:
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✭J⌖и Λl͟l͟e͞и✭ wrote:
Nope. That's trying to justify murder. Murdering him gets you nothing. It doesn't bring back the dead. It doesn't bring peace to their souls. If he killed my child, I would like to see him be punished, but killing anyone, no matter what they did, is wrong.ϻ͞ċȵя͟ɗƖҽ wrote:
Incorrect. Not all life is sacred. Once he killed one innocent life, he forfeited his. It wasn't even revenge related. It was cold blooded murder👣💀ÇℍĮҜƎƝ💀👣 wrote:
Because all life is sacred, even that of the sinners, murderers, and other 'bad' people. If we kill him, we're just as bad as he is. People seem to have forgotten that equality extends to EVERYONE, not just people you like.243-165-789 wrote:
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So you mean to say it would be better to let him waste taxpayers money living a semi-comfortable life in prison? Hah, send him to the gulags
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Yup just kill the killer then another killer will be born look it was an evil act but don't think that you can judge him you are not him your not a judge you don't know why he did it what he went through Mabey he has mental problems you don't know I don't support his act but look at how evil you sound judging some one you don't know on a crime you didint see with no profe out her then a news article and then saying he should die
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@McCurdle
Well, I'll tell you why you're wrong in seeing it that way. Something can be gained from him being killed off.
Assuming it is 21 years and then he gets out, what do you think he does? With nothing left to lose, he probably goes ahead and does it again, like he said he would. Innocent civilian lives can be spared if his life is taken.I agree with certusd, death actually would be an easy way out. But you get my point. I can understand that you value equality even after killing has been commited but there is a point where that isn't true no matter how much you believe in equality. If a killer plans to kill again (an he blatantly said so) he deserves the worst the law can give him, and then some.
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👣💀ÇℍĮҜƎƝ💀👣 wrote:
See, the thing is, I think he should be sentenced to life in prison, but people calling for his death just want the satisfaction of knowing he's gone. It doesn't matter who he is or what he did, he doesn't deserve to die. No one does. Not the murderer nor the murdered. Do you see people in Norway up in arms about the decision? I think not.@McCurdle
Well, I'll tell you why you're wrong in seeing it that way. Something can be gained from him being killed off.I can understand that you value equality even after killing has been commited but there is a point where that isn't true no matter how much you believe in equality. If a killer plans to kill again (an he blatantly said so) he deserves the worst the law can give him, and then some. -
Coolio wrote:
You know what, fuck you. You refuse to see the value in my point and merely want to see more people die. I want him to be locked up for life, not to be executed. It doesn't matter what he did, he's still human, god damn it.God help us when we have rulers such as McCurdle
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McCurdle I see the value in your argument but there is also flaws with it same as the other side of this argument you want him not to die because all human life is valuable but on the other side of the coin do you forfit your humanity when you take even one human's life let alone 77? If he was pronounced sane that means he did this slaughter of his own will he has no humanity left besides his looks.Torture is extreme and would discourage future criminals brutally but it would not let those families have peace.The mother who never gets to see her son or daughter again will she find peace knowing he is dead when she could have the comfort of knowing he can count the cracks in a solitary cell for the rest of his slimy life which he'll likely get a shiv in the back if he isn't in solitary I'm not going to argue or defend my point take it as you will but I hope it provides some use I'm sorry for making this so long but it's bedtime for me goodnight all and I hope this gets resolved satisfactorily
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His sentence has a rider. If he's still deemed a threat to society after serving his time, his sentence can be extended indefinitely.
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ϻ͞ċȵя͟ɗƖҽ wrote:
So what if he is human or not. A dog knows when it's done something wrong. And we kill dogs that bite humans. So why not put down a human that knowingly set out to kill 77 kids? You want to talk equality but fail to see that equality does not exist in today's world. People grow up in lawless countries and don't have fresh drinking water. He was given an equal chance to be a productive member of his society. He chose to destroy as much of that society as he could. Therefore he has given up his rights to have an equal chance. Treat others as you wish to be treated. He treated kids with bullets and bombs. He should be treated the same way. That's equality.Coolio wrote:
..........It doesn't matter what he did, he's still human, god damn it. -
Because all life is sacred, even that of the sinners, murderers, and other 'bad' people. If we kill him, we're just as bad as he is. People seem to have forgotten that equality extends to EVERYONE, not just people you like.
I agree. And I'm glad to live in a part of the world where the death penalty isn't legal, let alone discussed as an option for sentencing. Not even the horrific acts of Breivik has ignited a debate on death penalty.
That being said there are flaws in the Scandinavian justice systems as well. The absence of execution isn't one of them. -
Messed up the quote function... First part written by McCurdle(?)...
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It's these types of days when we shake our heads remembering that we don't have the chairs or torture chambers reserved for the "best" earners of them as we do today. All we have is the simple, painless lethal injection. I say we them back as these people are "begging" for them.
Yes argue that it "inhuman" of us all you want(killing inhuman too?), but study's show, if you see a guy getting tortured, fried, or in pain for doing something wrong, it will make them learn not to do it or else. Make criminals fear the law again, knowing that they aren't going to a prison to get a place to sleep, eat, and have the pleasure of having school and recreational activities and more. They are going there because they need to be punished and witness Hell up front and personal and not enjoy itOne
Tiny
Bit. (off soap box)
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ϻ͞ċȵя͟ɗƖҽ wrote:
did u not see my earlier post?Coolio wrote:
You know what, fuck you. You refuse to see the value in my point and merely want to see more people die. I want him to be locked up for life, not to be executed. It doesn't matter what he did, he's still human, god damn it.God help us when we have rulers such as McCurdle
I am not asking that he be executed, he deserves a long painful life and I beg to differ, this piece o shite is not a human
his only remorse was that he did not kill more
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243-165-789 wrote:
I like there justice system, gives people a chance to be rehabilitated, I think they have handled the whole affair with restraint and dignity, a good example to the rest of us.
So how about we let the guy out in ten years and let him move in with you and your family. I'm sure the fact he has stated he wants to kill more people shouldn't bother you.
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I think they should make an example out of him, public torture and execution. Scum like him do not deserve to live in a cell, they deserve to wish they were never born.😡
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Life in europe is only 21 years. But once thats over they can re trial him
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Smadzy2k10 wrote:
One cannot generalise the length of a life sentence in Europe - it differs from country to country. And no, they cannot retry him for these crimes. What they can do is evaluate whether or not he is fit to be resocialised into society, a process which in itself can take several years.Life in europe is only 21 years. But once thats over they can re trial him
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Oh my god. You know what. I'm not even going to bother with the ignorance in this thread.
You are all closed minded fools filled with hatred and obsessions of bringing your corrupt version of "justice". Obsessed with revenge and death.McCurdle, my opinion of you rised quickly. I respect you a lot now.
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🔰Superyan🔰 wrote:
It's not ignorance, it's belief and opinion. Don't get up in arms over what we believe.Oh my god. You know what. I'm not even going to bother with the ignorance in this thread.
You are all closed minded fools filled with hatred and obsessions of bringing your corrupt version of "justice". Obsessed with revenge and death.McCurdle, my opinion of you rised quickly. I respect you a lot now.
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Lots of fans of torture in this thread. How old are ya'll?
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Okay, so this thread has officially gone from downhill to wallowing in shit. It was originally a debate about whether Brevik should be put to death or prison for life. Then we get talk about public executions and torture, and frankly, that's a bunch of bullshit. I'm done with this garbage. /abandonthread
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👣💀ÇℍĮҜƎƝ💀👣 wrote:
No. I've tried talking to you all about this before.🔰Superyan🔰 wrote:
It's not ignorance, it's belief and opinion. Don't get up in arms over what we believe.Oh my god. You know what. I'm not even going to bother with the ignorance in this thread.
You are all closed minded fools filled with hatred and obsessions of bringing your corrupt version of "justice". Obsessed with revenge and death.McCurdle, my opinion of you rised quickly. I respect you a lot now.
There is nothing but hatred and ignorance here. -
Sorry but why am I ignorant and obsessed with revenge and death. It's not an obsession. I just think those not willing to act as part of society should not be treated within societal constructs and morality I'm sorry is a posteriori it's not a priori. So therefore punishing people that are malicious. Or indeed as with the testing on them to enrich society is not only acceptable. But as Kant would have said. It's for the greater good.
I always believe in acting towards others as I would like people to act towards me. I wouldn't accept him murdering my family. And I wouldn't want him living near my family ever after committing such actions. Fair enough to all those that would be happy to have him as a neighbour. And if that's the case then write to the courts and explain that upon release you would welcome him. Because I don't believe there are many that would. Locking someone up for life is no better than any other method. It depends on the individual. -
🔰Superyan🔰 wrote:
No, it's not ignorance. I don't consider that trash to be a human being. Belief. Not ignorance, belief on whether someone loses there right to be called a human being after commiting a murder, let alone 77.👣💀ÇℍĮҜƎƝ💀👣 wrote:
No. I've tried talking to you all about this before.🔰Superyan🔰 wrote:
It's not ignorance, it's belief and opinion. Don't get up in arms over what we believe.Oh my god. You know what. I'm not even going to bother with the ignorance in this thread.
You are all closed minded fools filled with hatred and obsessions of bringing your corrupt version of "justice". Obsessed with revenge and death.McCurdle, my opinion of you rised quickly. I respect you a lot now.
There is nothing but hatred and ignorance here. -
👣💀ÇℍĮҜƎƝ💀👣 wrote:
So are you saying any American soldier is not a human?🔰Superyan🔰 wrote:
No, it's not ignorance. I don't consider that trash to be a human being. Belief. Not ignorance, belief on whether someone loses there right to be called a human being after commiting a murder, let alone 77.👣💀ÇℍĮҜƎƝ💀👣 wrote:
✂✂✂🔰Superyan🔰 wrote:
It's not ignorance, it's belief and opinion. Don't get up in arms over what we believe.Oh my god. You know what. I'm not even going to bother with the ignorance in this thread.
You are all closed minded fools filled with hatred and obsessions of bringing your corrupt version of "justice". Obsessed with revenge and death.McCurdle, my opinion of you rised quickly. I respect you a lot now.
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ϻ͞ċȵя͟ɗƖҽ wrote:
You are actually comparing soldiers to this piece of shit who murdered 77 kids?👣💀ÇℍĮҜƎƝ💀👣 wrote:
So are you saying any American soldier is not a human?🔰Superyan🔰 wrote:
No, it's not ignorance. I don't consider that trash to be a human being. Belief. Not ignorance, belief on whether someone loses there right to be called a human being after commiting a murder, let alone 77.👣💀ÇℍĮҜƎƝ💀👣 wrote:
✂✂✂🔰Superyan🔰 wrote:
It's not ignorance, it's belief and opinion. Don't get up in arms over what we believe.McCurdle, my opinion of you rised quickly. I respect you a lot now.
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