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Rather "your" fairy tale views my mistake.
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You are missing an extremely important distinction here.
Your rights may be violated, but they may not be given or taken away.
Human rights and American rights are the same thing. At least, that's the intention.
If you ask the supreme court if water is a right, what do you think they would say?
And before you make your guess, yes, I already know the answer. The UN has the same answer.
Human rights is an issue of morality. It is a standard of morality that we have deemed to be correct as humans. Your rights are a moral argument about what is just and unjust with respect to your treatment in society.
These rights are yours, whether they are acknowledged or not.
If you had the attention span of a 12 year old, you would know that I am an atheist. But that has nothing to do with the structure of human society, nor the principals it is based on, which is not open to debate. It just is.
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Hebrew Hitman wrote: ...That piece of parchment means nothing any where else. I believe it also states owning another human being on that same piece of paper.
...That "parchment" is based on the arguments of the European enlightenment, which is valid throughout the free world, I.E. most of it.
And I don't BELIEVE the document says anything about slavery. I just read it again. It doesn't.
The fact that you haven't read it, and make such false claims about it says all we need to know.
You are a social/political hack that is just making crap up as you go along, passing it off as truth.
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Brown note you are fired. You so ingrained in the belief rights can never be taken away. When I showed you a specific example. If you get thrown into jail the is in violation of your rights to life and the persist of happiness. There are no exceptions to your claim. Ask any judge if water is a right, if they say yes it is a right than you should not have to pay for it, bottled or tap. And it should not be governed in any aspect. You are missing the point and try to fight this declaration of independence crap, which I just went over again. I admit slavery was not in there,
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an over exaggeration. However this document is intended to be exactly what it is. A declaration of independence and that's all. I still do my see where water is a right in here though? You continue to avoid the debate, which is a typical method for those people that cannot formulate debate. These rights are not yours if they are not acknowledged! How can you even say that, it's crazy talk. If I have the right to do anything but I can't do anything then I no longer have that right. Slaves are a good example of how wrong you are here. They had the right according to the declaration, yet we took that right away. Guess what they no longer had that right until Lincoln came along.
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ང༐བℵཇ🔥💢👣 wrote:
Why would I sacrifice my family for people that could be fucking arseholes. Save the family every time. Even if it's 1000 people the other side. I have no responsibility to them over my familyWell for example:
There's a train track. You have your hand on the lever that can change the track. If you push it up it will kill 3 of your most loved family/friends. If you pull it down, it will kill 15 random people you don't know.Idk about you guys, but I know you would all like to think you would sacrifice your family for the others.
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Sigh. Anyone that paid attention in high school civics want to take a stab at this guy?
One question: May the government deprive you of water?
Since you refuse to do any research on the issue, ignoring legal precedent in both the state supreme courts and the federal supreme court... Ignoring established UN declarations of the human right to clean water and sanitation...
...I'll let someone else try to crack that thick skull of yours for a while.
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You should have this debate with someone from Africa. Ask them how the UN declarations at working out for them. You are too focused on small picture stuff. I am talking human rights and if not all humans have it then it is NOT a right, but rather a commodity. If the government tortures a person do you think they get fresh bottled water and a clean bathroom? How ignorant are you? It's not publicized but you have to know that it happens or has happened?
If you make water a right then everything else is a right as well; case in point substitute gasoline for water. Do we have a right to gasoline? Or is it a commodity? -
Treated water piped straight to your home is a commodity. It costs money to sanitize and manage. We all pay for it either through taxes and property rates or by how much we use. It's a luxury much of the world doesn't have. You can go down to your closest river or catch rainwater and take all you like if you dare drink it, that's a right, but treated and bottled water is not.
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Answer: The government may not prevent you from purchasing, owning, selling, or drinking water.
In fact, the courts have agreed that a home without clean running water is uninhabitable, and thus, may not be sold or rented for habitation without it.
Water is very much a human right, an integral part of right to life, and thus may not be withheld for political reasons as part of INTERNATIONAL LAW.
This is well documented. I'm not sure how it's even a discussion.
The fact that you may have to pay for something, or the fact that it can be taken away does not stop it from being a right.
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So it's a right and a commodity.
I see what your saying. So people living in 3rd world countries with no running water are being denied basic human rights. -
Brown🎵Note😲 wrote:
Thank you! I pay for medical bills even though the declaration says I have a right to life. I pay taxes even though, I have a right to liberty, and I pay to get into a damn amusement park if I want to be happy. A right to something doesn't make it free. It just makes it where any government cannot deny you the ability to find or purchase water. As well, if my government does not allow me to find or purchase water, I still have the right, but the government is infringing on it.Answer: The government may not prevent you from purchasing, owning, selling, or drinking water.
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💀ՏɧʀɪɲʉϮ💀+₅₅₂ wrote:
Sort of. Human rights are separate from human authority. Rights are not granted or removed by government. They exist as an agreement in society as to what humans should be allowed to do, like political discourse, or allowed not to do, like go to a church.So it's a right and a commodity.
I see what your saying. So people living in 3rd world countries with no running water are being denied basic human rights.Should is an important word.
The government does not provide your right to life, liberty, speech, abortions, water, and on and on and on. They are not required to make sure you exercise your rights, or give you what you lack, like water, if you do not have it.
The government may not prevent us from exercising our "natural" rights as free people. That is all. If you have running water or not isn't their problem. But it's still your right as a human to buy, own, or consume water, and they may not stop you.
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