Do you believe the right of abortion?
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Really abortion is not necessary you can nowadays transplant the embryo or fetus to another person and they will give birth then they could be put up for adoption you are then not harmed in any way and you will not have to deal with a child
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MickTheMole wrote:
It is a valid interpretation. Don't say otherwise, as Christianity is all about personal interpretation, excluding Catholicism.Trauger Jogger wrote:
What!?!? You completely misunderstand them.Since religion is a part of this, I would like to remind you that stealing is against one if the 10 commandments, and banning abortion is like an attempt to steal someone's free will.
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The McCurdle wrote:
Please rephrase that.@Mick The Mole
Do you believe religion should play no part in legislation as well? If not, then you are a hypocrite and have invalidated your own argument. -
There are actually 613 commandments look them up don't argue from ignorance. This is heading towards religion and i don't want my turfs taken because of my views lol
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I will keep advising on here all of you people that feel as though your problems are solvable by sending me bombs heads and shoes
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YOU wrote:
*argueingI will keep advising on here all of you people that feel as though your problems are solvable by sending me bombs heads and shoes
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MickTheMole wrote:
Saying legislation should not affect religion, but religion should affect legislation means that when your religious beliefs are affecting laws that affect your religion in positive ways, it's okay, but when it affects your religion in a negative way, it is against the first amendment.The McCurdle wrote:
Please rephrase that.@Mick The Mole
Do you believe religion should play no part in legislation as well? If not, then you are a hypocrite and have invalidated your own argument. -
Let me clarify. Excluding religion, what if the mother was raped? Or the father left? Or the baby is diagnosed with a fatal disorder? Or the mother is diagnosed with a fatal hereditary disease? Shit happens. Accidents happen. Bad things happen. Abortion should be legal, but there should be a long list of stipulations regarding who can and cannot have an abortion. It's morally irrisponsible to make such sweeping, cut and dry regulations when the issue at hand is not cut and dry at all.
What I'm not saying, is that abortion should be a method of birth control, or an easy way out of a mistake. It should be a last resort in an impossible situation, or the lesser of two evils. -
Tonytlj add:TLJ wrote:
This is a common view, but a difficult one to legalize. If you come up with list of every exception, the law is too easily twisted into something else, and becomes a drag on resources in courts and otherwise.Let me clarify. Excluding religion, what if the mother was raped? Or the father left? Or the baby is diagnosed with a fatal disorder? Or the mother is diagnosed with a fatal hereditary disease? Shit happens. Accidents happen. Bad things happen. Abortion should be legal, but there should be a long list of stipulations regarding who can and cannot have an abortion. It's morally irrisponsible to make such sweeping, cut and dry regulations when the issue at hand is not cut and dry at all.
What I'm not saying, is that abortion should be a method of birth control, or an easy way out of a mistake. It should be a last resort in an impossible situation, or the lesser of two evils. -
If your freedoms are safe under a system you are ok. When they are taken away, you are not ok. Also although I think abortion is sickening, I am also strongly against the enforcement of us supporting the opposite of our religion.
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MickTheMole wrote:
I'm against enforcing something in either direction, unless it protects the rights of the people. Is the 'although' necessary, because the point doesn't change.If your freedoms are safe under a system you are ok. When they are taken away, you are not ok. Also although I think abortion is sickening, I am also strongly against the enforcement of us supporting the opposite of our religion.
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@McCurdle, yes, but an extensive application process could alleviate some of that. There is no easy solution to something like this. But strait up owtlawing it is wrong.
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How does the ban on abortion infringe on you rights?
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Some laws are made so that something good cannot be abused and while I agree that abortion is wrong a law to stop it completely would eliminate the need to argue this at all also arguments like this always seem to remind about the north arguing with the south in the 1800's
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MickTheMole wrote:
If my girlfriend is raped, and she gets pregnant, I will have to help raise that child. Neither of us are financially capable of that. If she contracts a hereditary std from her rapist, the financial burden on any potential foster family will make it next to impossible to find a foster family willing to take the baby. Just because it's against your religion, shouldn't mean we can't have an abortion.How does the ban on abortion infringe on you rights?
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MickTheMole wrote:
Um, are you just ignoring the opposing view, or just not erudite enough to comprehend it. A person's body is their own, and a fetus cannot live on it's own, without the mother. It is not truly alive IMO, but either way, banning abortion is taking away people's rights. If I took away your right to pray publicly, would you be upset?How does the ban on abortion infringe on you rights?
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Tonytlj add:TLJ wrote:
Legalising it though has the same@McCurdle, yes, but an extensive application process could alleviate some of that. There is no easy solution to something like this. But strait up owtlawing it is wrong.
Problems so now we've reached a point where we must chose which is the lesser evil -
If you don't like abortion, then don't get one. But YOUR PERSONAL beliefs shouldn't be used to control an aspect of SOMEONE ELSE'S life.
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OneThumbBastard wrote:
👏👏👏👏It is a rather simple matter. If you don't believe in abortion, don't have or be involved in one. In the US, a woman's right to choose is a constitutional right, under the Federal as well as most State constitutions.
Funny thing, if you review this thread you'll not find many female players engaged in this discussion, just a bunch of dudes. My guess is that they're too wise to be involved in such an esoteric debate.
This is not about religion. It is about self-righteous arrogance. One woman's decision to terminate her pregnancy early in not way interfers with, oppresses or demeans another person's faith. If you do like it, mind your own business.
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Tonytlj add:TLJ wrote:
Look up the Hyde amendment. Taxes haven't paid for abortions for 40 years.Also, financial responsibility for the abortion should be up to patient, not the tax payer.
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Trauger Jogger wrote:
👏👏👏👏If you don't like abortion, then don't get one. But YOUR PERSONAL beliefs shouldn't be used to control an aspect of SOMEONE ELSE'S life.
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MickTheMole wrote:
Lies. Look up the Hyde amendment.Why should the government force people to violate their religious views through our payment of abortion?
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OneThumbBastard wrote:
What does it then do for the fetus? You are then destroying an human organism which is killing its just that you're killing before it's entered the worldIt is a rather simple matter. If you don't believe in abortion, don't have or be involved in one. In the US, a woman's right to choose is a constitutional right, under the Federal as well as most State constitutions.
Funny thing, if you review this thread you'll not find many female players engaged in this discussion, just a bunch of dudes. My guess is that they're too wise to be involved in such an esoteric debate.
This is not about religion. It is about self-righteous arrogance. One woman's decision to terminate her pregnancy early in not way interfers with, oppresses or demeans another person's faith. If you do like it, mind your own business.
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Ojibwe wrote:
And never have, really. Before then, abortion was illegal, I believe.Tonytlj add:TLJ wrote:
Look up the Hyde amendment. Taxes haven't paid for abortions for 40 years.Also, financial responsibility for the abortion should be up to patient, not the tax payer.
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De Rick, before this goes any further, do you believe killing during war is justifiable?
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De Rick wrote:
Faith is a matter of choice. A fetus is not a person; it has no faith. Get over yourself.OneThumbBastard wrote:
What does it then do for the fetus? You are then destroying an human organism which is killing its just that you're killing before it's entered the world✂
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OneThumbBastard wrote:
A man and a woman have sex after meeting at a bar they discover the next week that she is pregnant theman wishes to father the baby while the mother wishes to have an abortion the argument escalates into a full blown trial who is right in this caseIt is a rather simple matter. If you don't believe in abortion, don't have or be involved in one. In the US, a woman's right to choose is a constitutional right, under the Federal as well as most State constitutions.
Funny thing, if you review this thread you'll not find many female players engaged in this discussion, just a bunch of dudes. My guess is that they're too wise to be involved in such an esoteric debate.
This is not about religion. It is about self-righteous arrogance. One woman's decision to terminate her pregnancy early in not way interfers with, oppresses or demeans another person's faith. If you do like it, mind your own business.
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PROJECT_HAWK23 wrote:
And don't go around raw-doggin-randomsDon't be silly wrap your willy
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OneThumbBastard wrote:
When did I say anything about faithDe Rick wrote:
Faith is a matter of choice. A fetus is not a person; it has no faith. Get over yourself.OneThumbBastard wrote:
What does it then do for the fetus? You are then destroying an human organism which is killing its just that you're killing before it's entered the world✂
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What? I would be upset about my rights being infringed. It is the duty of the mother to support her child because she is bringing him/her into the world. It is not her right to kill the baby and deny it the right to prosper.
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