Belial style thread on cyber bullying etc
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Think about it, if you and I were sharing a meal and you had food stuck on ur face, would I be a bigger dick if I told you about it or pretended not to notice? There is something wrong with you according to accepted social norms, and I would hope in a reverse situation you'd correct me. I can agree that we can disagree, and I can even give you the last word if you like cause I know few share my soapbox.
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@lawrence, you could't be more wrong. Obesity is a major cause of mortality. 'Morbid' is only a modifier of degree. Although autopsy reports won't say "this person died from being fat", they frequently link hypertension, heart attack, diabetes, and any other of a laundry list of relatable causes. Suffice it to say, being fat will kill you (in too few words).
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@Dr. Sunshine, if ur truly an M.D. your better equipped than any of us to talk about the dangers of obesity. And also are fully aware of the cure as well. So than you KNOW that your condition is only of your choosing and easily fixed. If your family ignores your weakness then they are enabling the illness and part of your problem. I would argue they love you less if they don't try and help you remedy something that clearly casues you such pain. Otherwise couldn't it be said that they see value in your suffering? I don't know you but I'd get out and exercise with you everyday if it saved ur life.
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And it's tragic when someone commits suicide as a result of being bullied, but it's prefixed "sui" not "homi" for a reason. Anyone who takes the cowards way out had more problems than just being tormented, and I'll go ahead and be a total misanthrope and say our species might actually be strengthened by their self-subtraction from the gene pool.
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@chiken, (how ya been old friend ;) You're right in that scenario, a young child can't make choices for himself at restaurants every day. But maybe if he gets chubby, goes to school and the kids are allowed to bring to his attention that his condition is undesirable. He can correct that in adolescence and avoid a lifetime of torment and poor health. Perhaps even convince his family to eat greens when they're out to dinner or take up a physical activity. But if we just figuratively hug his corpulent body and treat his appearance as acceptable then we are broadcasting to everyone a lower standard for all mankind. Even you just admitted to being happy today and credited being bullied for it.
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HåZ€ (Add HZ) wrote:
Going harsh there but everything you have said is all true.And it's tragic when someone commits suicide as a result of being bullied, but it's prefixed "sui" not "homi" for a reason. Anyone who takes the cowards way out had more problems than just being tormented, and I'll go ahead and be a total misanthrope and say our species might actually be strengthened by their self-subtraction from the gene pool.
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Am I a forum bully? :) hope no one commits suicide over it :(
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The Civil Rights Act of 1964 came about precisely because as a society we finally became outraged by the examples you cite. We made this bigotted behavior illegal, regardless of the thicker skin Rosa Parks and Martin Luther King, Jr. were able to develop.
Yet again, I return to the basic premise I set up in my first comment: in my mind, true bullying has malicious intent at its core. Everything i have said in this thread is directed toward those who say and do things for the purpose of hurting others. The fact that there may be some collateral or incidental benefit occurring as a result of this hateful behavior does not make it any more acceptable. But this is just one man's opinion.
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And for the record, I'm not overweight and i haven't been on a playground in over 35 years. Actually, like you, Ryan, I am seriously underweight because of health-related reasons.
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petinc wrote:
Mines not health related really. Just lost a lot during chemo and can't get it back on.And for the record, I'm not overweight and i haven't been on a playground in over 35 years. Actually, like you, Ryan, I am seriously underweight because of health-related reasons.
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I'm not gunna keep pestering you but I think a very convincing argument could be made that states bullying gave us the CRA1964. Without bullying, those heroes of Selma wouldn't have had the opportunity to make radical social change. The more appalling the bullying, the more monumental the change. Without bullys DrMLKjr woulda been a quiet minister from the south. And the CRA1964 didn't outlaw racial bullying, (if it had we wouldn't still consider it an issue and have nothing to post about) it abolished Jim Crows laws and established voter registration equality for a forgotten element, women.
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Superyan wrote:
Ditto. Lost a lot during chemo, and had my esophagus and most of my stomach surgically removed about eight months ago. I can't seem to gain weight, either.petinc wrote:
Mines not health related really. Just lost a lot during chemo and can't get it back on.And for the record, I'm not overweight and i haven't been on a playground in over 35 years. Actually, like you, Ryan, I am seriously underweight because of health-related reasons.
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I wish nothing but the best for you guys and for your health to improve as much as possible.
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It's MacDonald's fault. All those "secret" ingredients. Oh and Mountain Dew too naturally! :p
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HåZ€ (Add HZ) wrote:
I'm not a doctor! I had hoped no one would be confused. I apologized, but I am not a doctor, I hope to be one, and thus the Dr.@Dr. Sunshine, if ur truly an M.D. your better equipped than any of us to talk about the dangers of obesity. And also are fully aware of the cure as well. So than you KNOW that your condition is only of your choosing and easily fixed. If your family ignores your weakness then they are enabling the illness and part of your problem. I would argue they love you less if they don't try and help you remedy something that clearly casues you such pain. Otherwise couldn't it be said that they see value in your suffering? I don't know you but I'd get out and exercise with you everyday if it saved ur life.
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HåZ€ (Add HZ) wrote:
I did also say that I am very active. I exercise most every day and I am not overweight in the fact that it is a health risk, just a bit "fluffier" than others. I am very aware of obesity and it's causes and it's solutions as well.@Dr. Sunshine, if ur truly an M.D. your better equipped than any of us to talk about the dangers of obesity. And also are fully aware of the cure as well. So than you KNOW that your condition is only of your choosing and easily fixed. If your family ignores your weakness then they are enabling the illness and part of your problem. I would argue they love you less if they don't try and help you remedy something that clearly casues you such pain. Otherwise couldn't it be said that they see value in your suffering? I don't know you but I'd get out and exercise with you everyday if it saved ur life.
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HåZ€ (Add HZ) wrote:
I respect your opinion and agree with you on some points, so I'll call a truce.I wish nothing but the best for you guys and for your health to improve as much as possible.
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I assuming you're referencing when I said "if we don't allow our kids to pick on the handicapped they won't develop coping skills to deal with jerks"? By "jerks" I ment the kids tormenting the disabled. How will the rest of the kids in school respond when someone makes life harder for "exceptional citizens"? We all have to deal with punks, and if we don't get to see them in action as young people we won't know what to do with them as grown-ups. I might be ignorant, and surely am an asshole, possibly don't deserve my teeth rooted in place either. But one thing I am NOT Sir! Is little :)
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Oooo I was wondering when someone would resort to name calling and low standard insults. This has been such a good read, I don't even need to state my opinion, it's already being argued!!! Carry on good fellas, 👍 I got my popcorn ready.
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HåZ€ (Add HZ) wrote:
This is the most misguided post of the day. My stepson is autistic. It's not ok for people to pick on him. Ever. He can't help what he is. Ever. If your kid was in the same situation, you might understand. Don't generalize without thinking it through.Another point: if we don't allow our kids to pick on people who are handicapped than a whole generation will lack coping skills to deal with jerks. No matter where you go in life there will always be people who don't like you. And whater you gunna do every time someone gives you guff? Cry to the boss? Call the police? Brown the ground? Fight or flight? Where did you learn those skills? As a child when you saw/experienced bullying. There is already a serious deficiency of personal responsibly, not allowing peer correction will only exacerbate that. What's wrong with "sticks and stones"? Or "that which does not kill me"?
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@TW, I sincerely apologize to everyone if my argument was difficult to read, my points were 'against the grain' or abstract/translucently explained. Please understand I never was and never will advocate abuse of anyone for any reason.
@cyrusthevirus, I have genuine empathy for your situation and wish nothing but the best for your entire family. I too have cousins with autism and another with down syndrome. You and I both know this is a cruel world, people do unspeakably horrible things everyday. In a perfect world we would all love each other and the streets would be lined with gumdrops. But conflict breeds strength.
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I honestly hope your stepson develops some type of coping skills/defense mechanisms for when ur not around to protect him, eventually he will be alone and will have to deal with bullies solo. It's a terrifying thought but all too real as well. Is he going to shut down? Strike back? Know how to properly elevate his issue to authority? Think his way out of it? If he never has to deal with assholes as a young man, whats going to happen when he is old enough to drive a car? Drink alcohol? Purchase a lethal weapon? Or a combination of them all? We can outlaw bullying, but we can NOT eradicate bullies.
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Think about this game we all play, there is don protection for players below level 15- but only from mobsters above. Yet a level 14 can attack a level 1 all day everyday sans repercussion. And a level 199 with 200k mob can attack a level 15 with 1 mob till their iPhone battery dies or their bank account dries. The RL equivalent of don protection is any law written or enforced against child abuse. But a RL law is only as good as the paper its written on, the states budget to enforce it and the citizens buy-in. (Ever exceed the speed limit by 1 mph/kph? Or fail to come to a complete stop at a traffic control device? Other people break more serious laws regularly as well, and in turn there are more serious consequences.)
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This thread was on bullying, as in peer-peer teasing. Like a level 14 vs 7. We all know that's going to happen regardless of our most urgent desires or how many policies we adopt. And furthermore; what about the kids surrounding your stepson and his tormentors? Or even the ones who hear about it second hand? Are they going to step up and eviscerate the bullies? Are they going to remain friends with the bullies? What kind of impact will their choices in that situation have on them for the rest of their lives? They too need to witness injustices before they know what's too much. "Darkness can not drive out darkness, only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate, only love can do that." -DrMLKjr. Kids have to experience/witness bad things before they can fight for good things.
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Also, don't you believe in equality? Do you hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men (women) are created equal? I do. If it's socially acceptable to make fun of anyone... IMO everyone is fair game. If we start censoring speech, eventually no language becomes legit. Also understand I'm talking primarily about verbal/cyber discourse. There are already adequate established protections against assault and violence. I'm not trying to change anyones opinion, and I have the utmost respect for everyone else's. Only attempting to articulately convey mine. Peace doods.
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HåZ€ (Add HZ) wrote:
👏👏👏👏Also, don't you believe in equality? Do you hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men (women) are created equal? I do. If it's socially acceptable to make fun of anyone... IMO everyone is fair game. If we start censoring speech, eventually no language becomes legit. Also understand I'm talking primarily about verbal/cyber discourse. There are already adequate established protections against assault and violence. I'm not trying to change anyones opinion, and I have the utmost respect for everyone else's. Only attempting to articulately convey mine. Peace doods.
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