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Johnny o and Bugsy. Let's turn to another part of the topic for a second. Should churches be taxed? It would help a lot into not having to tax the rich.
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⌖🔥💃Johnny O💃🔥⌖ wrote:
And the upper class doesn't abuse tax loopholes?👿Belial wrote:
And the lower class don't abuse the Social security, welfare and other public services?⌖🔥💃Johnny O💃🔥⌖ wrote:
Investigation for corruption. Tax audits. The list goes on.Upper class do not use more resources B. What makes you think that?
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👿Belial wrote:
I'd like to take 99% of what you have. In my opinion you'd be just fine. Johnny O is right. Close the loopholes. I've also got no sympathy for tax cheats.⌖🔥💃Johnny O💃🔥⌖ wrote:
The top probably 0.5%. In talking the serious billionaires. This that would be just fine even if you took 99%👿Belial wrote:
Top tier is what to you?My take. Tax corporations. Tax the rich up to 50% for the top tier. Churches are a business like any other. Tax em.
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👿Belial wrote:
NP but I am staying away from this one hahah 😝Johnny o and Bugsy. Let's turn to another part of the topic for a second. Should churches be taxed? It would help a lot into not having to tax the rich.
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👿Belial wrote:
Welfare, hospital visits that the bill is never paid for, ridiculous ER visits (again never paid for), other stupid social projects because some people don't take care of themselves. Shall I continue?⌖🔥💃Johnny O💃🔥⌖ wrote:
Investigation for corruption. Tax audits. The list goes on.Upper class do not use more resources B. What makes you think that?
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👿Belial wrote:
BULLSHIT!The amount paid in social security and welfare and other services really doesn't amount to all that much
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💀Keyser⌖Söze💀 wrote:
It was 90% in the 60s. People did fine👿Belial wrote:
50% IS ASKING A LOTMy take is that if you get more benafit from the American dream then you owe it to your country to pay a little more. It's not asking much
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The Getch wrote:
Yup. Keep in my mind if you work hard and produce your boss gives you a raise. Uncle Sam pays everybody more on a sliding scale upwards over time because that's more "fair". Ever wonder why we have a deficit.Depends on if you want a paycheck from "the rich guy" or a welfare check from "uncle Sam".
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Get✯SomeⒼ₡❸ wrote:
They abuse the shit out of it!!⌖🔥💃Johnny O💃🔥⌖ wrote:
And the upper class doesn't abuse tax loopholes?👿Belial wrote:
And the lower class don't abuse the Social security, welfare and other public services?⌖🔥💃Johnny O💃🔥⌖ wrote:
Investigation for corruption. Tax audits. The list goes on.Upper class do not use more resources B. What makes you think that?
Even Warren Buffet agrees it's out of control but they are legal. -
💀Keyser⌖Söze💀 wrote:
When healthcare is ridiculously high how can you expect the poor to pay a ridiculous $15k hospital bill?👿Belial wrote:
Welfare, hospital visits that the bill is never paid for, ridiculous ER visits (again never paid for), other stupid social projects because some people don't take care of themselves. Shall I continue?⌖🔥💃Johnny O💃🔥⌖ wrote:
Investigation for corruption. Tax audits. The list goes on.Upper class do not use more resources B. What makes you think that?
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⌖🔥💃Johnny O💃🔥⌖ wrote:
We need thorough, comprehensive bipartisan...Get✯SomeⒼ₡❸ wrote:
They abuse the shit out of it!!⌖🔥💃Johnny O💃🔥⌖ wrote:
And the upper class doesn't abuse tax loopholes?👿Belial wrote:
And the lower class don't abuse the Social security, welfare and other public services?⌖🔥💃Johnny O💃🔥⌖ wrote:
Investigation for corruption. Tax audits. The list goes on.Upper class do not use more resources B. What makes you think that?
Even Warren Buffet agrees it's out of control but they are legal.
Wait. Who the fuck am I kidding, the government can't agree on shit -
👆👆👆That I think we can all agree on here.
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⌖🔥💃Johnny O💃🔥⌖ wrote:
Yeah. No one can debate that👆👆👆That I think we can all agree on here.
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For taxing the rich here's my point. From the turn of the century to Kennedy taxes were 90% on the rich. Kennedy lowered it to 60% Reagan lowered to 50% and bush lowered to 40%. All I'm saying is lets go back to Reagan's time. Things weren't bad in the 80s
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It's not ridiculous. There was a patient on the floor I worked recently. Just her medication alone was $34,000. The reason is she had "Crohn's disease". It is in quotes because she is FULL OF SHIT. She would get dilaudid q4hr because she was in "pain". Yet she was also walking up and down the hall with her OJ and smelling of ETOH ALL THE TIME! At the same time there was another patient who freaked out because she wanted to know how the time change would affect her pain meds schedule. Both of them had an alarm clock to wake them when pain meds were due. Also had one patient who was admitted for facial cellulitis. Tested positive for cocaine, opiates, benzos and THC. Guess who is paying for all three of those patients visits. The tax payer.
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👿Belial wrote:
Anton Lavey has tried instituting taxing churches since 1969 I don't think anyone has taken that seriously nor ever will.My take. Tax corporations. Tax the rich up to 50% for the top tier. Churches are a business like any other. Tax em.
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Sammy Guns🔫🌊🗻 wrote:
And as you know I'm a follower of Lavey.👿Belial wrote:
Anton Lavey has tried instituting taxing churches since 1969 I don't think anyone has taken that seriously nor ever will.My take. Tax corporations. Tax the rich up to 50% for the top tier. Churches are a business like any other. Tax em.
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🔫🌊🗻Benny DaBOSS wrote:
That doesn't seem to apply to pro-church legislation.its Dylan wrote:
Seperation of church and state.The catholic church is one of the largest corporations in the world. Tax them.
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Since we are on the taxation and everything do you all feel that the federal reserve should be "audited" ?
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So you're saying the poor shouldn't receive medical attention at all Bugsy?
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👿Belial wrote:
Really? Or you being sarcastic?Sammy Guns🔫🌊🗻 wrote:
And as you know I'm a follower of Lavey.👿Belial wrote:
Anton Lavey has tried instituting taxing churches since 1969 I don't think anyone has taken that seriously nor ever will.My take. Tax corporations. Tax the rich up to 50% for the top tier. Churches are a business like any other. Tax em.
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Sammy Guns🔫🌊🗻 wrote:
Really? Crackerjack idea. The "crooks" would get it but you wanna talk about a financial meltdown. Whoooohhh boy. Have fun with that.Since we are on the taxation and everything do you all feel that the federal reserve should be "audited" ?
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Sammy Guns🔫🌊🗻 wrote:
No. I'm COS👿Belial wrote:
Really? Or you being sarcastic?Sammy Guns🔫🌊🗻 wrote:
And as you know I'm a follower of Lavey.👿Belial wrote:
Anton Lavey has tried instituting taxing churches since 1969 I don't think anyone has taken that seriously nor ever will.My take. Tax corporations. Tax the rich up to 50% for the top tier. Churches are a business like any other. Tax em.
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Sammy Guns🔫🌊🗻 wrote:
The federal reserve sets interest rates not tax rates.Since we are on the taxation and everything do you all feel that the federal reserve should be "audited" ?
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👿Belial wrote:
Even with the plagiarisms etc?Sammy Guns🔫🌊🗻 wrote:
No. I'm COS👿Belial wrote:
Really? Or you being sarcastic?Sammy Guns🔫🌊🗻 wrote:
And as you know I'm a follower of Lavey.👿Belial wrote:
Anton Lavey has tried instituting taxing churches since 1969 I don't think anyone has taken that seriously nor ever will.My take. Tax corporations. Tax the rich up to 50% for the top tier. Churches are a business like any other. Tax em.
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👿Belial wrote:
No. Im saying frequent flyers and non compliant should be put out to pasture. They are the majority of the problem. If you have diabetes and don't bother controlling your sugar, that is your choice. Society should have a choice to refuse you medical care. That would bring a lot of healthcare costs under control. As for patients like the ones I talked about earlier, same as convicts, 3 strikes your out. Test positive for cocaine x3 and you are refused care (we already offer to get them treatment which most flat out refuse). The two with the pain meds are admittedly a little more complicated. The Crohns patient could be considered noncompliant because of the ETOH usage with her disease. The other, I don't know.So you're saying the poor shouldn't receive medical attention at all Bugsy?
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👿Belial wrote:
Yeah I have trouble paying for food each week. I haven't been to the dr in 2 yrs because I can't afford even a checkup.💀Keyser⌖Söze💀 wrote:
When healthcare is ridiculously high how can you expect the poor to pay a ridiculous $15k hospital bill?👿Belial wrote:
Welfare, hospital visits that the bill is never paid for, ridiculous ER visits (again never paid for), other stupid social projects because some people don't take care of themselves. Shall I continue?⌖🔥💃Johnny O💃🔥⌖ wrote:
Investigation for corruption. Tax audits. The list goes on.Upper class do not use more resources B. What makes you think that?
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Issue with churches being taxed is a little thorny as they derive their "income" from charitable giving. Some ministries have grown quite large and wealthy though. They shouldn't be exempt from property taxes but having non-business income taxed isn't necessary. Keep in mind churches provide many services back to communities. Maybe not the way you'd do it but I'm not suggesting Planned Parenthood should have their income taxed.
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Sammy Guns🔫🌊🗻 wrote:
He just borrowed others ideas for his own philosophy. It's not uncommon and he was more honest about it than most. It doesn't make it a bad philosophy👿Belial wrote:
Even with the plagiarisms etc?Sammy Guns🔫🌊🗻 wrote:
No. I'm COS👿Belial wrote:
Really? Or you being sarcastic?Sammy Guns🔫🌊🗻 wrote:
And as you know I'm a follower of Lavey.👿Belial wrote:
Anton Lavey has tried instituting taxing churches since 1969 I don't think anyone has taken that seriously nor ever will.My take. Tax corporations. Tax the rich up to 50% for the top tier. Churches are a business like any other. Tax em.
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Tonytlj add:TLJ wrote:
Do you have any illnesses that have been diagnosed?👿Belial wrote:
Yeah I have trouble paying for food each week. I haven't been to the dr in 2 yrs because I can't afford even a checkup.💀Keyser⌖Söze💀 wrote:
When healthcare is ridiculously high how can you expect the poor to pay a ridiculous $15k hospital bill?👿Belial wrote:
Welfare, hospital visits that the bill is never paid for, ridiculous ER visits (again never paid for), other stupid social projects because some people don't take care of themselves. Shall I continue?⌖🔥💃Johnny O💃🔥⌖ wrote:
Investigation for corruption. Tax audits. The list goes on.Upper class do not use more resources B. What makes you think that?
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