Your views on Nazi era Germany
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Well 'Sir talk a lot's" thread on favorite books and meanting the boy who dared got me thinking. What is your view on pre-/ during World War 2 era Germany?
I find it so amazing how the Nazi managed to turn what is actually bad into acceptable or even considered good in the minds' of a good portion of Germany's population. Like beating or insulting Jews in any way was allowed and even encouraged to the point people truly thought they were not humans, kind of like pre-Civil War America when it came to Africans.
The Nazi and especially Hitler were easily brilliant people. Sadly, bring brilliant and good are two different things. The Nazi at the time created things that are still amazing to even our standards today in creativity and successfulness.
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Nazi Germany could have become the most powerful country on Earth if they didn't start world war 2. If they had waited another 10 years, they easily could've had a military to match Russia and USA. They made an economic system that regained the lifestyles families had before the Treaty of Versilles. But to me, the biggest thing was that they did all of this in 15 short years.
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If they hadn't used so much manpower on killing Jews, I would be dead.
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Their greatest weapon was the influence they had on the citizens. Through hitler's great leading ability and propaganda they could've got the citizens to follow them in whatevet they wanted
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108 Million wrote:
They needed someone to scapegoat. The Jews where a good target.If they hadn't used so much manpower on killing Jews, I would be dead.
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YOU wrote:
They simply lied to the citizens and killed those who spoke of the truth.
They even killed people under 18, and made is illegally to listen to non Nazi approved radio, and very hard to travel. -
108 Million wrote:
If they never decided to kill the Jews, many of us wouldn't be alive.If they hadn't used so much manpower on killing Jews, I would be dead.
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108 Million wrote:
change that to Russians and you'd be correct.If they hadn't used so much manpower on killing Jews, I would be dead.
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PIP PIPS SON. wrote:
I agree completely. Towards the mid to end of the war they had the best technology out of all the countries. Tiger tanks, v2 rockets, and towards the very end the first jet powerd aircraft. If they could've started the war after these where mastered, they could've conquered europeNazi Germany could have become the most powerful country on Earth if they didn't start world war 2. If they had waited another 10 years, they easily could've had a military to match Russia and USA. They made an economic system that regained the lifestyles families had before the Treaty of Versilles. But to me, the biggest thing was that they did all of this in 15 short years.
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WWII was absolutely necessary. The technological advancements that resulted from it are astonishing. We went from no powered flight to jet powered flight in 40 years. We developed the computer and the Internet as well as television and UAVs. It is what led to the MASSIVE flood of technology during the Cold War. And Stalin killed more jews than hitler.
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YOU wrote:
They also made people fear the Nazi government so they wouldn't do anything against it.YOU wrote:
They simply lied to the citizens and killed those who spoke of the truth.
They even killed people under 18, and made is illegally to listen to non Nazi approved radio, and very hard to travel. -
PIP PIPS SON. wrote:
Partially true Pip, I still think that they were fated to own Europe for good until they made the choice to invade Russia and break the Non-Aggression pact. Had it stayed a single front war for them they had the technology, manpower and psychological edge over even the US. At the time we were increasingly isolationist and were only looking inward at our own country and only aiding our allies by leasing them machinery and arms. Not even cutting edge arms, we were leasing Britain aged destroyers for convoy escort.Nazi Germany could have become the most powerful country on Earth if they didn't start world war 2. If they had waited another 10 years, they easily could've had a military to match Russia and USA. They made an economic system that regained the lifestyles families had before the Treaty of Versilles. But to me, the biggest thing was that they did all of this in 15 short years.
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PIP PIPS SON. wrote:
True. Germany could have waited taken over some more countries encluding Britian then attack Russia (not in the winter) and if they have taken over Russian then the U.S. would have been easy. And it would be the end.Nazi Germany could have become the most powerful country on Earth if they didn't start world war 2. If they had waited another 10 years, they easily could've had a military to match Russia and USA. They made an economic system that regained the lifestyles families had before the Treaty of Versilles. But to me, the biggest thing was that they did all of this in 15 short years.
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🔥⌖ Viper ⌖🔥 wrote:
Yeah, Russia screws European Emperors/Dictators over... Napoleon, Hitler, and I bet there is more..PIP PIPS SON. wrote:
Partially true Pip, I still think that they were fated to own Europe for good until they made the choice to invade Russia and break the Non-Aggression pact. Had it stayed a single front war for them they had the technology, manpower and psychological edge over even the US. At the time we were increasingly isolationist and were only looking inward at our own country and only aiding our allies by leasing them machinery and arms. Not even cutting edge arms, we were leasing Britain aged destroyers for convoy escort.Nazi Germany could have become the most powerful country on Earth if they didn't start world war 2. If they had waited another 10 years, they easily could've had a military to match Russia and USA. They made an economic system regained blah blah.
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Sir talk a lot wrote:
Remember, the Japanese wanted the U.S. So they would have to take out Japan too.PIP PIPS SON. wrote:
True. Germany could have waited taken over some more countries encluding Britian then attack Russia (not in the winter) and if they have taken over Russian then the U.S. would have been easy. And it would be the end.Nazi Germany could have become the most powerful country on Earth if they didn't start world war 2. If they had waited another 10 years, they easily could've had a military to match Russia and USA. They made an economic system that regained the lifestyles families had before the Treaty of Versilles. But to me, the biggest thing was that they did all of this in 15 short years.
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Sir talk a lot wrote:
Yes they could have but Hitler was a stubborn and determined person. Once he had an idea, he would pick the idea that best fitted to his view and continue it regardless of wether it was doomed to fail.PIP PIPS SON. wrote:
True. Germany could have waited taken over some more countries encluding Britian then attack Russia (not in the winter) and if they have taken over Russian then the U.S. would have been easy. And it would be the end.Nazi Germany could have become the most powerful country on Earth if they didn't start world war 2. If they had waited another 10 years, they easily could've had a military to match Russia and USA. They made an economic system that regained the lifestyles families had before the Treaty of Versilles. But to me, the biggest thing was that they did all of this in 15 short years.
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✙Baron✙ wrote:
It could go either way. But the time it would take for Germany to take over Britian and Russian the Japanese would have been destroyed by then.Sir talk a lot wrote:
Remember, the Japanese wanted the U.S. So they would have to take out Japan too.PIP PIPS SON. wrote:
True. Germany could have waited taken over some more countries encluding Britian then attack Russia (not in the winter) and if they have taken over Russian then the U.S. would have been easy. And it would be the end. -
✙Baron✙ wrote:
The US only declared war on Germany for two reasons. 1: Great Britain was their ally do they had to help them. 2: Germany was allied with Japan,Sir talk a lot wrote:
Remember, the Japanese wanted the U.S. So they would have to take out Japan too.PIP PIPS SON. wrote:
True. Germany could have waited taken over some more countries encluding Britian then attack Russia (not in the winter) and if they have taken over Russian then the U.S. would have been easy. And it would be the end.Nazi Germany could have become the most powerful country on Earth if they didn't start world war 2. If they had waited another 10 years, they easily could've had a military to match Russia and USA. They made an economic system that regained the lifestyles families had before the Treaty of
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And the Nazis actually started as the "German National Workers' Party." Jews were originally in charge of the banks in Germany, and recieved the blame for the financial ruin of Germany. They as well as the minorities were then targeted. However, Stalin killed more news than Hitler by far.
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PIP PIPS SON. wrote:
✙Baron✙ wrote:
Never knew they were allies with Japan, but from what I had heard Germany declared war on the U.SSir talk a lot wrote:
The US only declared war on Germany for two reasons. 1: Great Britain was their ally do they had to help them. 2: Germany was allied with Japan,PIP PIPS SON. wrote:
Remember, the Japanese wanted the U.S. So they would have to take out Japan too.True. Germany could have waited taken over some more countries encluding Britian then attack Russia (not in the winter) and if they have taken over Russian then the U.S. would have been easy. And it would be the end.
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Zebulon Pike wrote:
And then they became the Nationalist Socialists, which in German, became Nazi, for short. That's another reason why they killed the Jews, try blamed them on their depression.And the Nazis actually started as the "German National Workers' Party." Jews were originally in charge of the banks in Germany, and recieved the blame for the financial ruin of Germany. They as well as the minorities were then targeted. However, Stalin killed more news than Hitler by far.
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As an American of German heritage , I am aware that the people of Germany suffered greatly after the treaty of Versailles ,and hitler was able to rekindle pride within that nation.
But bottom line is hitler was a racist murder who attempted genocide of a people.
All of the great things he did for Germany, and he DID do many great things for that country, are wiped out by his madness.
I will not deign to give him praise in any way... He is dead, and I wish I believed in hell, because it would be nice to think he is there suffering.
I hope I am wrong , but there seems to be a pro hitler feel to this thread -
Chuckie Sleaze wrote:
I'm only pointing out the good things because the bad things make me sad.. My gramps was a nazi..As an American of German heritage , I am aware that the people of Germany suffered greatly after the treaty of Versailles ,and hitler was able to rekindle pride within that nation.
But bottom line is hitler was a racist murder who attempted genocide of a people.
All of the great things he did for Germany, and he DID do many great things for that country, are wiped out by his madness.
I will not deign to give him praise in any way... He is dead, and I wish I believed in hell, because it would be nice to think he is there suffering.
I hope I am wrong , but there seems to be a pro hitler feel to this thread -
Papa pip pip? 😜lol.. Sorry..had to do it
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Chuckie Sleaze wrote:
I just saud Hitler was a brilliant man. "sadly, brilliance and being good are two different things". Basically I meant he was a genius in hos ideas mostly but he was such an evil man he destroyed the praise for his accomplishments by causing one of the first genocides on several races and types of people and his brutality towards people.As an American of German heritage , I am aware that the people of Germany suffered greatly after the treaty of Versailles ,and
But bottom line is hitler was a racist murder who attempted genocide of a people.
All of the great things he did for Germany, and he DID do many great things for that country, are wiped out by his madness.
I will not deign to give him praise in any way... He is dead, and I wish I believed in hell, because it would be nice to think he is there suffering.
I hope I am wrong , but there seems to be a pro hitler feel to this thread -
Chuckie Sleaze wrote:
Actually he's my great gramps. He is still alive and healthy.Papa pip pip? 😜lol.. Sorry..had to do it
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PIP PIPS SON. wrote:
Cool . Glad to hear itChuckie Sleaze wrote:
Actually he's my great gramps. He is still alive and healthy.Papa pip pip? 😜lol.. Sorry..had to do it
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UnknownAssassin wrote:
But his actions do not compare to those of Stalin after the war.Chuckie Sleaze wrote:
I just ... on several races and types of people and his brutality towards people.As an American of German heritage , I am aware that the people of Germany suffered greatly after the treaty of Versailles ,and
But bottom line is hitler was a racist murder who attempted genocide of a people.
All of the great things he did for Germany, and he DID do many great things for that country, are wiped out by his madness.
I will ... feel to this thread
The vast amount of developments and technology that the Germans produced and led the other countries to develop far outweigh the losses I believe. (That probably sounds bad, but it's not supposed to. The deaths were terrible, but you get what I mean.) And he wasn't always directly responsible for all of the brutality. -
Zebulon Pike wrote:
Yes it can go either way in this caseUnknownAssassin wrote:
But his actions do not compare to those of Stalin after the war.Chuckie Sleaze wrote:
I just ... on several races and types of people and his brutality towards people.As an American of German heritage , I am aware that the people of Germany suffered greatly after the treaty of Versailles ,and
But bottom line is hitler was a racist murder who attempted genocide of a people.
All of the great things
I will ... feel to this thread
The vast amount of developments and technology that the Germans produced and led the other countries to develop far outweigh the losses I believe. (That probably sounds bad, but it's not supposed to. The deaths were terrible, but you get what I mean.) And he wasn't always directly responsible for all of the brutality. -
PIP PIPS SON. wrote:
✙Baron✙ wrote:
Sir talk a lot wrote:
Check your history. Germany declared war on us...PIP PIPS SON. wrote:
The US only declared war on Germany for two reasons. 1: Great Britain was their ally do they had to help them. 2: Germany was allied with Japan,Nazi Germany could have become the most powerful country on Earth if they didn't start world war 2. If they had waited another 10 years, they easily could've had a military to match Russia and USA. They made an economic system that regained the lifestyles families had before the Treaty of
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Dino Marchetti wrote:
Uh, no. No they didn't. So...check your history.PIP PIPS SON. wrote:
✙Baron✙ wrote:
Sir talk a lot wrote:
Check your history. Germany declared war on us...PIP PIPS SON. wrote:
The US only declared war on Germany for two reasons. 1: Great Britain was their ally do they had to help them. 2: Germany was allied with Japan,Nazi Germany could have become the most powerful country on Earth if they didn't start world war 2. If they had waited another 10 years, they easily could've had a military to match Russia and USA. They made an economic system that regained the lifestyles families had before the Treaty of
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