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Ok. Final thoughts. Abortion actually accounts for many more deaths of women than labor does. A fetus cannot be classified a parasite because reproduction is generally healthy for a species as a whole. Although sexuality is important most of the benefits can be achieved by masturbation. (beside the psychological but that's another thread). Final thought is this. I believe women should be allowed to have an abortion but I believe it's often the wrong choice to psychological and physical risks. I do think it's often taken too lightly as a form of birth control and that we have become a society that has forgotten how to take consequences for our actions. So once again I think it should be allowed but never taken lightly
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ՏhadowA͜ngelƊ. wrote:
Darwin answered this claim in 1868, The different features could have (and almost certainly would have) evolved both simultaneously and gradually. Partial valves would have been useful for reducing blood pressure to a degree. An intermediate heart would have produced enough pressure for a shorter neck. A smaller net of blood vessels in the head could have handled the lesser pressure. As longer necks were selected for, all of the other components would have been modified bit by bit as well. In other words, for each inch that the neck grew, the giraffe's physiology would have evolved to support such growth before the next inch of neck growth.I believe in factual evidence. Show me then. Show me a chain of evolution that is at least mostly intact. Also show me how animals evolved, such as giraffes, one step at a time, without upsetting No time for adaptation there, huh.
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ՏhadowA͜ngelƊ. wrote:
You remind me of a story. A creationist says why are there gaps? Show me the intermediate step! A paeleontoligist shows him the link fossil and smiles, the creationist cries out! You have made it worse, now there are two gaps!I believe in factual evidence. Show me then. Show me a chain of evolution that is at least mostly intact.
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Angel: If you believe in factual evidence, why do you believe in God?
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slugboy wrote:
That's oh so beautiful.ՏhadowA͜ngelƊ. wrote:
You remind me of a story. A creationist says why are there gaps? Show me the intermediate step! A paeleontoligist shows him the link fossil and smiles, the creationist cries out! You have made it worse, now there are two gaps!I believe in factual evidence. Show me then. Show me a chain of evolution that is at least mostly intact.
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⌖🔥Belial🔥⌖ wrote:
AgreedOk. Final thoughts. Abortion actually accounts for many more deaths of women than labor does. A fetus cannot be classified a parasite because reproduction is generally healthy for a species as a whole. Although sexuality is important most of the benefits can be achieved by masturbation. (beside the psychological but that's another thread). Final thought is this. I believe women should be allowed to have an abortion but I believe it's often the wrong choice to psychological and physical risks. I do think it's often taken too lightly as a form of birth control and that we have become a society that has forgotten how to take consequences for our actions. So once again I think it should be allowed but never taken lightly
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⌖🔥Belial🔥⌖ wrote:
You don't remove cancer, you remove the tumor....Having an abortion is about the same as having cancer removed. So we should save the cancer?
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Fat Raymond wrote:
Read my final thoughts⌖🔥Belial🔥⌖ wrote:
You don't remove cancer, you remove the tumor....Having an abortion is about the same as having cancer removed. So we should save the cancer?
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1. Untamed, that's not abortion, it is a test for adultery.
2. Slugboy- but it has been proven by a former evolutionist that the changes could not have been gradual. It is set up so complex that one thing even a bit out of whack would cause the brain to explode. Literally. And if there were simultaneous changes, then how would the animal know to evolve those certain parts, unless it knew from experience, which would mean it was dead?
3. I believe in facts, but I also believe in faith. Belial and Jeff claim that evolution is a part of science, therefore I want factual information to prove it as such. I believe Creationism is a belief, so I believe it contains matters of faith. -
⌖🔥Belial🔥⌖ wrote:
Wow I actually agree with you on lots of this! 😃Ok. Final thoughts. Abortion actually accounts for many more deaths of women than labor does. A fetus cannot be classified a parasite because reproduction is generally healthy for a species as a whole. Although sexuality is important most of the benefits can be achieved by masturbation. (beside the psychological but that's another thread). Final thought is this. I believe women should be allowed to have an abortion but I believe it's often the wrong choice to psychological and physical risks. I do think it's often taken too lightly as a form of birth control and that we have become a society that has forgotten how to take consequences for our actions. So once again I think it should be allowed but never taken lightly
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As a mother I am quite sensitive to this subject. I couldn't imagine terminating one of my babies, BUT I'm sure there is many circumstances that give people no other choice (rape etc) so I think in certain circumstances it is ok. I also think it is the woman's choice whether to continue with the pregnancy or not but I think the decision to terminate should be made VERY early on, some clinics terminate quite late on and that I think is wrong.
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Carpenter wrote:
I turned debate mode down a lot⌖🔥Belial🔥⌖ wrote:
Wow I actually agree with you on lots of this! 😃Ok. Final thoughts. Abortion actually accounts for many more deaths of women than labor does. A fetus cannot be classified a parasite because reproduction is generally healthy for a species as a whole. Although sexuality is important most of the benefits can be achieved by masturbation. (beside the psychological but that's another thread). Final thought is this. I believe women should be allowed to have an abortion but I believe it's often the wrong choice to psychological and physical risks. I do think it's often taken too lightly as a form of birth control and that we have become a society that has forgotten how to take consequences for our actions. So once again I think it should be allowed but never taken lightly
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👿ℳℝՏ Ҝⅈʟʟعℝ ₲👿 wrote:
I fully agree with you. I don't think the window for termination should be large at allAs a mother I am quite sensitive to this subject. I couldn't imagine terminating one of my babies, BUT I'm sure there is many circumstances that give people no other choice (rape etc) so I think in certain circumstances it is ok. I also think it is the woman's choice whether to continue with the pregnancy or not but I think the decision to terminate should be made VERY early on, some clinics terminate quite late on and that I think is wrong.
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Some clinics in other countries are legally allowed to terminate up until 20 weeks, considering as how an unborn child can survive from 20-22 weeks outside the womb with medical intervention I think it is disgusting.
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ՏhadowA͜ngelƊ. wrote:
Holy crap, you really do not have the slightest understanding of how evolution works do you?2. Slugboy- but it has been proven by a former evolutionist that the changes could not have been gradual. It is set up so complex that one thing even a bit out of whack would cause the brain to explode. Literally. And if there were simultaneous changes, then how would the animal know to evolve those certain parts, unless it knew from experience, which would mean it was dead?
"How would the animal know to evolve those certain parts, unless it knew from experience...."
Sweet zombie jesus.... (facepalm)The thing about gradual environment pressure and it's effect on variation within a species. It's gradual. Fine balance of multiple adaptive responses is a piece of cake.
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⌖🔥Belial🔥⌖ wrote:
I believe we have no right in forcing anyone to have a baby they don't want or are not ready for. As well if it was their mistake, they still have a freedom to decide their course of action. So abortion should be allowed. We don't need more laws telling people how to run their lives. Everyone is a master of themself. When a power begins enforcing their values upon others is wrong. People have a choice.Should we continue to allow it? Should the tax payers pay for it? What are your thoughts?
For those who are religouse and believe it's sin. Let me say this. It's okay to advocate your beliefs and tell people the reasons why you belive certain things. That is until you support force for others to obey what you believe. A law against abortion is forcing the individual to carry a baby she doesn't want. She is the master of her body, let her decide.
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I do believe it's wrong. For a life is being denied a chance into this world. That life though once cut off will be able to join our father in heaven. For that life will not have sinned. The mother will be held accountable and will have to explain herself and the man who helped bring that life into this world. She and he will be judged by the content of their heart, and God will truely see why they did what they did.
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Revenge wrote:
By that logic, each time a woman ovulates without conception, she is denying life a chance. And therefore all women should be forced to conceive and carry a child every time they can, from the moment they first can till the day they hit menopause.I do believe it's wrong. For a life is being denied a chance into this world. That life though once cut off will be able to join our father in heaven. For that life will not have sinned. The mother will be held accountable and will have to explain herself and the man who helped bring that life into this world. She and he will be judged by the content of their heart, and God will truely see why they did what they did.
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Ovulates? Are you serious? I'm talking about when a women and man have a sexual encounter and a little thing called sperm fertilizes the egg. And I'm not against abortion. It's not wrong if the eggs a women produces are Not fertilized. What are you on?
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slugboy wrote:
That's trueRevenge wrote:
By that logic, each time a woman ovulates without conception, she is denying life a chance. And therefore all women should be forced to conceive and carry a child every time they can, from the moment they first can till the day they hit menopause.I do believe it's wrong. For a life is being denied a chance into this world. That life though once cut off will be able to join our father in heaven. For that life will not have sinned. The mother will be held accountable and will have to explain herself and the man who helped bring that life into this world. She and he will be judged by the content of their heart, and God will truely see why they did what they did.
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Revenge wrote:
A womans egg is 'pregnant' with possibility.Ovulates? Are you serious? I'm talking about when a women and man have a sexual encounter and a little thing called sperm fertilizes the egg. And I'm not against abortion. It's not wrong if the eggs a women produces are Not fertilized. What are you on?
Denying life a chance, is denying life a chance, there isn't an exception. accept the logical extension of your postulation or change your view I'm afraid.
I don't think or beleive what iv said. I'm very pro choice and in favour of family planning. -
slugboy wrote:
Have to agree with slugRevenge wrote:
A womans egg is 'pregnant' with possibility.Ovulates? Are you serious? I'm talking about when a women and man have a sexual encounter and a little thing called sperm fertilizes the egg. And I'm not against abortion. It's not wrong if the eggs a women produces are Not fertilized. What are you on?
Denying life a chance, is denying life a chance, there isn't an exception. accept the logical extension of your postulation or change your view I'm afraid.
I don't think or beleive what iv said. I'm very pro choice and in favour of family planning. -
I have no words sir. That egg has the ability to create life. Leaving an open window for her to get a life into this world if she chose a partner to fertelize it. The thought she's denying that egg a chance is true I assume. If she doesn't fertilize it. Seems to be what you are arguing. That is something she doesnt have control over, those eggs will continue to produce. It's once she has fertilized the egg is what the big deal is about. When she and the man; if he sticks around, choose their decision to kill that being within her body is wrong I believe. That is denying life. Not on the millions of eggs a women produces in a life time.
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Revenge wrote:
A woman doesn't always have complete control over getting pregnant even if ejaculation does take place there are things like rape, failed birth control to name a coupleI have no words sir. That egg has the ability to create life. Leaving an open window for her to get a life into this world if she chose a partner to fertelize it. The thought she's denying that egg a chance is true I assume. If she doesn't fertilize it. Seems to be what you are arguing. That is something she doesnt have control over, those eggs will continue to produce. It's once she has fertilized the egg is what the big deal is about. When she and the man; if he sticks around, choose their decision to kill that being within her body is wrong I believe. That is denying life. Not on the millions of eggs a women produces in a life time.
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⌖🔥Belial🔥⌖ wrote:
Yes that is why i am for abortion. Its not my decision.Revenge wrote:
A woman doesn't always have complete control over getting pregnant even if ejaculation does take place there are things like rape, failed birth control to name a coupleI have no words sir. That egg has the ability to create life. Leaving an open window for her to get a life into this world if she chose a partner to fertelize it. The thought she's denying that egg a chance is true I assume. If she doesn't fertilize it. Seems to be what you are arguing. That is something she doesnt have control over, those eggs will continue to produce. It's once she has fertilized the egg is what the big deal is about. When she and the man; if he sticks around, choose their decision to kill that being within her body is wrong I believe. That is denying life. Not on the millions of eggs a women produces in a life time.
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Then I can't argue with you too much. I don't think any of us like the process. But I think its best it remains
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⌖🔥Belial🔥⌖ wrote:
Then do we charge people with murder if, say, they cause an auto accident in which a pregnant woman loses her unborn child?How it helps society is by slowing down the expansion of our already desperate population problem. Since its not yet a sentient human being I see no reason that abortion shouldn't be allowed
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Dino Marchetti wrote:
That is for the legal experts. I do believe that is different from state to state⌖🔥Belial🔥⌖ wrote:
Then do we charge people with murder if, say, they cause an auto accident in which a pregnant woman loses her unborn child?How it helps society is by slowing down the expansion of our already desperate population problem. Since its not yet a sentient human being I see no reason that abortion shouldn't be allowed
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In that instance I think the laws should be a state decision. But abortion was defined as a right. Therefore it's covered by federal
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ՏhadowA͜ngelƊ. wrote:
People eat eggs. Should we stop eating eggs because they haven't had the chance to develop into a mature chicken raised on steroids and corn not fit for human consumption just so they can be killed later in life and be eaten by us?Funny how everyone avoids all my comments... Take a look, would ya? ⬆
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