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If you can believe in the concept of an afterlife (St Peter at the gates, debriefing and selection) then why didn't we have a briefing before we were sent here? Surely if there was a God and he wanted us all to live in a certain way, he could set us all the same instructions and then there wouldn't be all the problems caused by organised religion, I.e. The world would be perfect, we would all go to heaven. Someone should pitch that to the big guy next time in prayer.
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You're discounting free will. There's only good with bad. Without one the other cannot exist so we have the choice to make.
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Imagine how crowded the great VIP club in the sky would be if we lived in such a eutopian world!! Yikes 👍
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The point is for god to judge you the way you are not because someone told you to be
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mccoy17 wrote:
But if you follow a religion and it's ways, it's because someone told you to...The point is for god to judge you the way you are not because someone told you to be
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vinnie the deal wrote:
Who said anything about free will? Just because you were clear on what you had to do doesn't mean you'd do it. The point I'm making is that the promise of afterlife (I.e. The other thread) is as daft as the concept of "before life".You're discounting free will. There's only good with bad. Without one the other cannot exist so we have the choice to make.
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Before life I wasn't anywhere. And then my mother and father had sex, which is what humans are meant to do. Then I was in the womb for 9 months, and was born.
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vinnie the deal wrote:
Why is there only good with bad? Explain that to me, because I would REALLY like to understand how anyone in their right mind can think that. Me helping an injured man would still be good in a world with no bad. Me giving a child my ice cream cone would still be seen as good.You're discounting free will. There's only good with bad. Without one the other cannot exist so we have the choice to make.
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Jeff 🍆 Newton wrote:
Actually, you know it's good now, but in a world with only good, how would you determine good, without ever knowing bad?vinnie the deal wrote:
Why is there only good with bad? Explain that to me, because I would REALLY like to understand how anyone in their right mind can think that. Me helping an injured man would still be good in a world with no bad. Me giving a child my ice cream cone would still be seen as good.You're discounting free will. There's only good with bad. Without one the other cannot exist so we have the choice to make.
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🍀Joe Zingg🍀 wrote:
You might not know it as good in a society like this, but the acts of being good to others still will be good. Just not known as that word "good"Jeff 🍆 Newton wrote:
Actually, you know it's good now, but in a world with only good, how would you determine good, without ever knowing bad?vinnie the deal wrote:
Why is there only good with bad? Explain that to me, because I would REALLY like to understand how anyone in their right mind can think that. Me helping an injured man would still be good in a world with no bad. Me giving a child my ice cream cone would still be seen as good.You're discounting free will. There's only good with bad. Without one the other cannot exist so we have the choice to make.
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Jeff 🍆 Newton wrote:
You might not know it as good in a society like this, but the acts of being good to others still will be good. Just not known as that word "good"🍀Joe Zingg🍀 wrote:
Jeff 🍆 Newton wrote:
Why is there only good with bad? Explain that to me, because I would REALLY like to understand how anyone in their right mind can think that.
The only reason we call something good Is because it is abnormal behavior for individuals in society. Like in the south we are expected to hold doors for women. We don't think it's a good thing to do but we know we should do it because we were taught that way. However holding a door in the north is rather unheard of so we seem to be Good people. So in a world without bad everyone is helping eachother because they are expected to do so taking the good out of the action. -
🍀Joe Zingg🍀 wrote:
You helping an injured man is good. The man getting injured is bad.Jeff 🍆 Newton wrote:
Actually, you know it's good now, but in a world with only good, how would you determine good, without ever knowing bad?vinnie the deal wrote:
Why is there only good with bad? Explain that to me, because I would REALLY like to understand how anyone in their right mind can think that. Me helping an injured man would still be good in a world with no bad. Me giving a child my ice cream cone would still be seen as good.You're discounting free will. There's only good with bad. Without one the other cannot exist so we have the choice to make.
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The reason y there is bad stuff in the world is not because of God, but because WE sinned. WE failed, and that failure was inherited to everyone. That's y there is so much bad stuff in the world
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roboslayer wrote:
What did we fail at exactly? I would like to know to what extent "inherited blame" goes to.The reason y there is bad stuff in the world is not because of God, but because WE sinned. WE failed, and that failure was inherited to everyone. That's y there is so much bad stuff in the world
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Xxl you never accounted for human's free will. We have the choice to be good or be bad or a mixture of both. What would be the point of life if there was no free will?
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vinnie the deal wrote:
Yes I did, 6th post down on this page :-)Xxl you never accounted for human's free will. We have the choice to be good or be bad or a mixture of both. What would be the point of life if there was no free will?
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You didn't account for it in your original post. I was the first to respond to your topic. You said that if we were created we should have been in a utopia. That doesn't account for free will. We all have a choice if we follow the instructions like you put it.
Jeff, Joe said what I meant. If there is no good or bad there would just be. How do you determine what's good and what's bad? There has to be one for the other to exist. How can you know joy if you've never felt pain?
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Add XXL wrote:
That is not what faith is.mccoy17 wrote:
But if you follow a religion and it's ways, it's because someone told you to...The point is for god to judge you the way you are not because someone told you to be
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Well what I have said has been misinterpreted and the point of what I'm saying has obviously been completely missed. I mean that if we were all clear on what we should be doing, then there would be no need for people to choose to do bad. Are you suggesting we need murderers and rapists to balance the world?
My Point Actually is more about the concept of an "afterlife" being as ridiculous as a "beforelife". The only reason you don't believe in a before life is because you haven't witnessed it and there is no proof, the same factual logic many intelligent people go by when saying there is no afterlife. -
Someone already thought of this; it's called reincarnation and many religions and spiritual disciplines believe in it.
The belief as I understand it is that we have many lessons to learn and are briefed (pre-life) and debriefed (after-life) over and over until one learns the difficult lessons via the karmic cycle.
The goal to become enlightened enough to finally ascend off the endless karmic cycle, lessons learned, and no further incarnations here necessary.
That's only my rudimentary laymens grasp. Anyone more versed in this type of belief system, I hope will give a better explanation.
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I recently read an an interesting concept associated with the idea of reincarnation that fascinated me.
When one incarnates again (is born here), it is seen as a kind of death or sleep from a spiritual perspective. Ie We are asleep here on earth. Only when we die here and our spiritual body is again freed from the material earth, do we wake up to our true self again being fully alive. We "fall asleep" once again once reborn.
I'm not saying this is MY belief system, I'm more of an agnostic, but I still found the idea intriguing to ponder.
If I'm anything that there is a label for, I'm probably closest to existentialist. That said, I have studied comparative religions and various spiritual disciplines for most of my life as I find the topics interesting.
Sorry if this veered off the thread too much though. 😊
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The 12th Doctor wrote:
You are expecting THAT perfect of a world with not even accidents. Jeeze... That would be nice. I don't see why you all insist in having the world full of hate and pain🍀Joe Zingg🍀 wrote:
You helping an injured man is good. The man getting injured is bad.Jeff 🍆 Newton wrote:
Actually, you know it's good now, but in a world with only good, how would you determine good, without ever knowing bad?vinnie the deal wrote:
Why is there only good with bad? Explain that to me, because I would REALLY like to understand how anyone in their right mind can think that. Me helping an injured man would still be good in a world with no bad. Me giving a child my ice cream cone would still be seen as good. -
The beauty of any religion is that it is supposed to guide you to those right decisions, not force them on you, so it comes from you and not the religion.
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'He' spoke through them like David Koresh....
It's also a bit of a leap from saying we don't know where the matter and energy of the universe came from, to saying the bible must be true.
It's also wrong to assume science is 'against' religion. If Galileo had peered through his telescope and seen heaven, the pope of the day wouldn't have executed him. If a scientist could find evidence of god, what a find that would be. It would not be denied, if it were there. -
There is no such thing as Good and bad, those are just words made by humans that show what we perceive to be "good" and "bad"
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Mr.Bunny wrote:
So if i do drugs nd gangbang im not a "bad" person?There is no such thing as Good and bad, those are just words made by humans that show what we perceive to be "good" and "bad"
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Add XXL wrote:
Well maybe we knew about this stiff but when we entered the physical world we lost all our knowledge.If you can believe in the concept of an afterlife (St Peter at the gates, debriefing and selection) then why didn't we have a briefing before we were sent here? Surely if there was a God and he wanted us all to live in a certain way, he could set us all the same instructions and then there wouldn't be all the problems caused by organised religion, I.e. The world would be perfect, we would all go to heaven. Someone should pitch that to the big guy next time in prayer.
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UnknownAssassin wrote:
Ah possibly, he probably didn't think it through...Add XXL wrote:
Well maybe we knew about this stiff but when we entered the physical world we lost all our knowledge.If you can believe in the concept of an afterlife (St Peter at the gates, debriefing and selection) then why didn't we have a briefing before we were sent here? Surely if there was a God and he wanted us all to live in a certain way, he could set us all the same instructions and then there wouldn't be all the problems caused by organised religion, I.e. The world would be perfect, we would all go to heaven. Someone should pitch that to the big guy next time in prayer.
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Add XXL wrote:
Or more likely whoever sent us here made it so it was interesting lol. And do you believe in reincarnation? Those topics are pretty closeUnknownAssassin wrote:
Ah possibly, he probably didn't think it through...Add XXL wrote:
Well maybe we knew about this stiff but when we entered the physical world we lost all our knowledge.If you can believe in the concept of an afterlife (St Peter at the gates, debriefing and selection) then why didn't we have a briefing before we were sent here? Surely if there was a God and he wanted us all to live in a certain way, he could set us all the same instructions and then there wouldn't be all the problems caused by organised religion, I.e. The world would be perfect, we would all go to heaven. Someone should pitch that to the big guy next time in prayer.
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UnknownAssassin wrote:
Add XXL wrote:
UnknownAssassin wrote:
No I don't believe in reincarnation because even in that religion there is a class system and the idea is that if you have a rubbish life, don't worry your next one will be awesome. It's all about control.Add XXL wrote:
Or more likely whoever sent us here made it so it was interesting lol. And do you believe in reincarnation? Those topics are pretty closeIf you can believe in the concept of an afterlife (St Peter at the gates, debriefing and selection) then why didn't we have a briefing before we were sent here? Surely if there was a God and he wanted us all to live in a certain way, he could set us all the same instructions and then there wouldn't ...
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Ballsed up the quotes there a little lol
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