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Get rid of nation-state borders when it comes to genocide and disaster, you know?
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Λdོdོi wrote:
No, the Italians were fascists. The Nazis (national socialists) were totalitarian racist socialists. To say they were both fascists leaves you without a differentiation.Brown🎵Note wrote:
The Nazi weren't fascists? Someone should have told the rest of the world that, we could have avoided a lot of bloodshed.A libertarian is right/anarchist. A Moaist is left/totalitarian. A Nazi is left/totalitarian. A Facist is right/totalitarian. A hippy is left/anarchist. A Democrat is a moderate totalitarian that says he is. A Republican is a moderate totalitarian that says he isn't.
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See, fascism has been inaccurately applied for so long, the meaning of the word is changing. The Italians were anti-socialist, as in "Black Shirts.". They used force to prevent socialist revolution by the Leninists. It was a dictatorship marked by public ownership of some infrastructure, but a solid class structure of lords (land owners) and the working class. It was the iron fist they used to maintain these class strata that make them fascists. The Nazis were not interested in maintaining class strata, making them socialists. That they were totalitarian racists had nothing to do with their economic model.
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By the way, I'm not looking this shit up Don Cheese. I've studied it for years. That makes me clever. Having big thumbs is all you have on me so far.
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Brown🎵Note wrote:
Says the dolt calling a "maoist" a moaist. Pot, meet kettle... Jackass.DonKaeso wrote:
We'll just let popular opinion figure that one out, Nancy.Brown🎵Note wrote:
Haha my spelling is fine i occasionally have a typo because of my fingers on a tiny phone. Stop trying to demean everyone who doesn't subscribe to your pathetic reactionary idealogy. Im likely half your age but doubly as clever.Learn to spell, pay attention to history, live a few more decades, and then I might take you seriously.
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Brown🎵Note wrote:
A nazi is derived from far-right wing volk culture of bavaria. For all the garbage you claim to know, you sure are one misinformed dumbass. National Socialism isnt Socialism....Λdོdོi wrote:
I actually kinda do, except for the abortion thing. And that nagging thing about not using our economic power to help out other countries that are self destructing. That bugs me. But yeah... He's ballpark.Brown🎵Note wrote:
You may just be too pro war to actually be a full fledged existentialist. One would think you'd love Ron Paul.Wait... You're the one that looks at the big "R" next to Ron Paul's name and figures him to be on the right. Give me a break... The guy's a pussy... He's obviously a slightly left anarchist. Go sharpen your pencil oh clever one.
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Oh? So what was their economic model? I'll wait while you go look it up. Focus on their 1920 reforms, if it helps. You don't get to make shit up. It has to be true for you to win the debate. Ha ha! Your team owns the Nazis! Ha ha! Psh.
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(we had this discussion already. You were probably out riding your bicycle and didn't see it. A political system is not the same as an economic one.)
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(tick tock, tick tock... Just say you were mistaken and be done with it. Nobody's perfect.)
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Brown🎵Note wrote:
It was a corporatist state, how do you think companies like Kodak, Hugo Boss, Volkswagen etc made such massive profits collaborating with the nazis. When Nazis spoke of Socialism they spoke of Racialism, that is cooperation only within race. In other words, if you werent 100% Aryan you could forget government assistance. Communists/Socialists were tortured, executed or sent to labor camps. Not to mention the fact that Conservative and Monarchist parties voted Hitler in, the leftists refused to vote for him. You're making substantial historical mistakes here my boneheaded friend.(tick tock, tick tock... Just say you were mistaken and be done with it. Nobody's perfect.)
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" There were disturbing signs that the National Socialists had radical reforms in mind. The "unalterable" 25 point 1920 program of the party proposed, among other things, "that all unearned income, and all income that does not arise from work, be abolished"; "the nationalization of all trusts"; "profit-sharing in large industries"; and "an agrarian reform in accordance with our national requirements, and the enactment of a law to expropriate the owners without compensation of any land needed for the common purpose. The abolition of ground rents, and the prohibition of all speculation in land.""
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While private ownership survived during the peak of the war, the left arm of the Nazi party was very clearly Marxist. The capitalism that survived was so controlled and regulated, it could barely be called a market, let alone a free one. The necessities of currency maintenance and international trade were all that kept full blown Marxist policy from being enacted. The socialism in national socialism is pure Marxism. Fact.
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The nazis weren't interested in maintaining class strata? Not for the master race I suppose, but Jews in Europe at the time would probably disagree. You know the nazis made communists and socialists wear badges too, right? The definition of fascism has shifted a bit over the years, but the nazis were at the time called fascists and remain so today. I know it doesn't fit into your left=bad, right=good boxes, but the fake historian Jerome Corsi is just making you look foolish on this one.
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I thought the government of Nazi Germany was a fascist, totalitarian state
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Λdོdོi wrote:
Of course Stalinists were badged. The reason is obvious. But there's no getting around the simple truth. The party put socialist in it's name for a reason. And that reason (above) is abundantly clear. It was almost perfectly Marxist in its intent. The facsists in Italy were entirely different, other than a single dictator.The nazis weren't interested in maintaining class strata? Not for the master race I suppose, but Jews in Europe at the time would probably disagree. You know the nazis made communists and socialists wear badges too, right? The definition of fascism has shifted a bit over the years, but the nazis were at the time called fascists and remain so today. I know it doesn't fit into your left=bad, right=good boxes, but the fake historian Jerome Corsi is just making you look foolish on this one.
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Excuse me, just a moment. When did I ever say right was good? If I did, I apologize. I do find it very curious that you guys keep calling me a right winger, reactionary, blah, blah, blah... Because all you know is left vs.right in American politics, and if I don't like big government, I have to be a George Bush Jr. fan. Sorry, but that's just not how it is.
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Brown🎵Note wrote:
You're making up hosory as you go along, Hitler was notoriously anti-marxist... Have you read Mein Kampf? Also you've ignored my point about hitler being voted in by a conservative majority. Secondly, Socialists, Trotskyites Stalinists were ALL badged and deported. What you may be referring to is the S.A or "brownshirts" who were essentially racist socialists, and who Hitler promptly disposed of. Nationalists,Conservatives and Monarchists voted Hitler in... Stop trying to avoid that fact and please adress it..While private ownership survived during the peak of the war, the left arm of the Nazi party was very clearly Marxist. The capitalism that survived was so controlled and regulated, it could barely be called a market, let alone a free one. The necessities of currency maintenance and international trade were all that kept full blown Marxist policy from being enacted. The socialism in national socialism is pure Marxism. Fact.
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Amish Hitman wrote:
So do most people. It's a shame, really. A small distinction, maybe... But the Italians were facsists. The new definition is a racist totalitarian government. If that were true, the Italians would not have called themselves facsists. It actually has more to do with state run infrastructure. I think the American left get touchy when you suggest that the Nazis consisted of big-government Marxists and militaristic racists. So they prefer calling them fascists.I thought the government of Nazi Germany was a fascist, totalitarian state
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DonKaeso wrote: You're making up hosory as you go along, Hitler was notoriously anti-marxist... Have you read Mein Kampf? Also you've ignored my point about hitler being voted in by a conservative majority. Secondly, Socialists, Trotskyites Stalinists were ALL badged and deported. What you may be referring to is the S.A or "brownshirts" who were essentially racist socialists, and who Hitler promptly disposed of. Nationalists,Conservatives and Monarchists voted Hitler in... Stop trying to avoid that fact and please adress it..
But it doesn't change the origin of the term "national socialist". Is this all you have? Are you confusing Nazis with Hitler? They aren't interchangeable, you know. Why do you ignore the unalterable 25 point plan of the Nazi party? I'm not making this up. Read. -
Why is everyone so touchy about this Nazi business? I can only assume they need to distance themselves as far from them as possible. Hitler was a genocidal racist. I'm sure you are nothing like him, don't worry. But the Nazis were originally formed as a socialist party, and there's no worming your way out of it. Now I know don cheesy calls him or herself an outright socialist. But let me make myself clear... I'm not calling you a Nazi. I'm calling you a Marxist, and I'm telling you... It looks good on paper, but it doesn't work with large groups of people. It results in famine, death, and a generally low standard of living. There were other 18th century western philosophers that got it right. Maybe read some of that.
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(you can see it paraphrased in our declaration of independence)
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Thanks for not attacking my bungling of the word "history" in my last post.. I have very large fingers, what can I say. You still havent adressed the parties "all right-wing" that voted the NSDAP into the reichstag. If you're going to hang on to the word Socialist, you mustn't forget the word "National". The two are diametrically opposed, an oxymoron if you will. Socialism, is an international movement, Nationalism is an idealogy of the right, who wish to promote a national identity. Ive already agreed with you that a tiny portion of socialism is interwoven in the NSDAP, but for you to ignore the clear Nationalistic,Jingoistic and Conservative goals of the Nazi Party... You're reaching The SA was indeed a left-wing pro-union faction of the NSDAP which is why Hitler had them liquidated in 1938. And even the S.A were in total conflict with the communist and d-soc factions in Germany. The fact that the NSDAP had complete support of Conservative and Monarchist parties is proof enough.
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And sorry... Hitler did not quickly do away with Goebbels, who was overtly a Marxist. There were many socialist elements that served under Hitler. It seems you are being a bit extreme in your theory that Hitler was anti-socialist. Hey Addi... We got our interstate highway system idea from the Nazis. What a wonderful socialist program! (actually, just messing with you. It's a military project, not a social one.)
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I didn't say that the party wasn't right-wing under Hitler. I just said socialist meant socialist. I'm glad you finally agree.
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Brown🎵Note wrote:
Likewise you should agree that nazi germany had just as many corporatist far right policies as it did left, if you were genuine in your argument.I didn't say that the party wasn't right-wing under Hitler. I just said socialist meant socialist. I'm glad you finally agree.
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Brown🎵Note wrote:
Brown, obviously because you mostly spew right-winged propoganda as fact. You sound like almost every conservative I know. Same quotes and all. You don't project yourself as anything else.Excuse me, just a moment. When did I ever say right was good? If I did, I apologize. I do find it very curious that you guys keep calling me a right winger, reactionary, blah, blah, blah... Because all you know is left vs.right in American politics, and if I don't like big government, I have to be a George Bush Jr. fan. Sorry, but that's just not how it is.
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I'm not going to keep arguing with you on this one since I know you are just doing it for argument's sake. Don's handling it well. I would like to say as with Marxism looking good on paper, that goes for every extreme philosophy. Don't you agree? Wouldn't you say the same about Rand's Objectivism?
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Wow, y'all are all wrong. All of you. * Insert Political Message Here*
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RuPaul is an überfamous drag queen.
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ℬeƖƖɑIƗɑƖiɑɳɑ wrote:
He's got my vote.RuPaul is an überfamous drag queen.
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