mostly,this week,I've been thinkin about Radiation

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messrine Mar 18, 2011

DG:nuclear programming UK:
there has been an awful lot of chatter this week about the dangers of nuclear fallout.I would like to take this opportunity to explain some misconceptions Current electrical production costs $23/KWh,and fission energy runs at $13/Kwh,as you can see,this is an acceptable profit/lOSS percentage,andas we are desperately unhappy at the present circumstances,I am sure,you can all see it was an acceptable risk.yours sincerely.ontHeMoon
messrine Mar 18, 2011

never liked this place anyway,too selfish
!ZAZ Mar 18, 2011

Is this about the price of nuclear energy or the dangers of fallout?
skyman724 Mar 19, 2011

!ZAZ wrote:
Is this about the price of nuclear energy or the dangers of fallout?

It's about how messrine does this every Friday (I may have been banned from the forums, but that doesn't mean I didn't read them while I was banned)
messrine Mar 19, 2011

skyman,why did you get banned?really it's about something that's not happening in your neighbourhood.YOU.cunt
messrine Mar 19, 2011

you thoughtless fucker,is what I should have said
Brown🎵Note Mar 19, 2011

Oh, yeah? Who is dead from these dangers? Is it someone we know?
Brown🎵Note Mar 19, 2011

Green is the glow this season, with lipstick and nails to match.
slugboy Mar 19, 2011

Fallout isn't why I dislike nuclear power. It's the waste storage issue and station decommissioning. Yet to see an acceptable solution for either
Johnny Cage Mar 19, 2011

slugboy wrote:
Fallout isn't why I dislike nuclear power. It's the waste storage issue and station decommissioning. Yet to see an acceptable solution for either

Mars
★〓⌖ Viper ⌖〓★ Mar 19, 2011

Johnny Cage wrote:
slugboy wrote:
Fallout isn't why I dislike nuclear power. It's the waste storage issue and station decommissioning. Yet to see an acceptable solution for either

Mars
Nah, the Sun. It's a big nuke furnace anyway let's give it a little extra fuel. Maybe that will help it last longer.🔥🌟🔥
slugboy Mar 19, 2011

To get it to either it must be transported out from earth.
Asides the horrendous per kilo cost, have you noticed rockets blow up from time to time. Can you imagine tons of plutonium being blasted into the atmosphere.....
Maybe if we can build a space elevator it would be a better plan
👿Belial Mar 19, 2011

slugboy wrote:
To get it to either it must be transported out from earth.
Asides the horrendous per kilo cost, have you noticed rockets blow up from time to time. Can you imagine tons of plutonium being blasted into the atmosphere.....
Maybe if we can build a space elevator it would be a better plan

Storage is fine. Everything eventually dissipates.
👿Belial Mar 19, 2011

The point is that nuclear energy is cheaper and more efficient than any other current alternative. Those facts can stand up to a lot of down sides.
slugboy Mar 19, 2011

Storage isn't fine, containers leak, rocks are permeable, water gets contaminated. And the storage areas become off limits for thousands of years, just so a generation or two gets to squander energy 'like there's no tomorrow'.
And what to do with the powerstations at the end of their life? We still havnt worked out how to deal with the ones we have. And we want to build more? It's idiocy
Brown🎵Note Mar 19, 2011

slugboy wrote:
Storage isn't fine, containers leak, rocks are permeable, water gets contaminated. And the storage areas become off limits for thousands of years, just so a generation or two gets to squander energy 'like there's no tomorrow'.
And what to do with the powerstations at the end of their life? We still havnt worked out how to deal with the ones we have. And we want to build more? It's idiocy

You must remember that these materials came from the Earth. The half-life didn't begin when we dug it up. It began with the explosion of a super nova. Still, The isotope is mostly spent by the time we are finished. Technically, we are "cleaning", (given that uranuim is bad), the Earth by decomposing the elements faster than they naturally would.
So you must be complaining about concentrating it all in one place. Hmmmm.. Maybe we should just spray it from airplanes over the ocean. 🍵💨💧
👿Belial Mar 19, 2011

slugboy wrote:
Storage isn't fine, containers leak, rocks are permeable, water gets contaminated. And the storage areas become off limits for thousands of years, just so a generation or two gets to squander energy 'like there's no tomorrow'.
And what to do with the powerstations at the end of their life? We still havnt worked out how to deal with the ones we have. And we want to build more? It's idiocy

We aren't squandering energy. Electricity has become a necessary part of human survival.
Brown🎵Note Mar 19, 2011

I'm squandering it.

I have a humidifier and de-humidifier in each room fighting it out, I run my furnace and my AC full blast all year, and I leave all my taps running all the time. (that way I don't spread germs by touching the knobs.

I keep my car running all the time, too, since most of an engine's wear comes from cold starts. I have to refuel daily, but it's worth it.

I block the sun with my roof, and then put sunlamps on the ceiling because I like the sun.

The sun burns more fuel every minute than we use on Earth in a lifetime. The sun, being the source of all our power (except nuclear), determines the rate of decline, not us.
Vishnu Mar 19, 2011

This reminds me much of Fallout the video game. Except that was nuclear war. But still radiation and all, just reminds me.
slugboy Mar 19, 2011

I am aware that these things come from the earth. I'm a university trained geologist and earth scientist. If storage is fine, shall we store it in your house....
Necessary for human survival? Seriously? Its mindboggling just how wrong that statement is.
Brown🎵Note Mar 19, 2011

slugboy wrote:
I am aware that these things come from the earth. I'm a university trained geologist and earth scientist. If storage is fine, shall we store it in your house....
Necessary for human survival? Seriously? Its mindboggling just how wrong that statement is.

Then you should understand exactly how significant the storage problem is. As a geologist, I'd hope you would have a more long-term perspective on things. The "problem" is not a problem in the US. We are storing it in a reasonable way.
I never said storage was fine, much less storage in a heavily populated area, like my house.

What's your take on global warming?.. I mean from your geologist point of view.
👿Belial Mar 19, 2011

slugboy wrote:
I am aware that these things come from the earth. I'm a university trained geologist and earth scientist. If storage is fine, shall we store it in your house....
Necessary for human survival? Seriously? Its mindboggling just how wrong that statement is.

How is it mind boggling? With current population levels electricity has become a necessity. Not to mention there is more to survival than living. If you don't like it smash your iPhone right now and send it to a recycling plant.
slugboy Mar 19, 2011

Why would smashing my iPhone help anything?
It's my second phone in ten years, I make things last to save resources. No electrical device I own (of which there are few) is ever on unless I'm activly using it. And all my lights are led or energy savers.
I also chose not to own a car, if a journey is less than 4 miles, I walk. I grow some of my own food, I recycle 80% plus of my household waste and I repair and mend when I can.
So if I chose to consolidate my Internet and phone needs into one device rather than two, Smashing it would be rather silly don't you think.
The fact is that electricity is not 'necessary' for humans and excessive use of electricity certainly isn't. Increasing electricity production won't help without a concerted effort to reduce it's use per capita.
✙Baron✙ Mar 19, 2011

slugboy wrote:
Why would smashing my iPhone help anything?
It's my second phone in ten years, I make things last to save resources. No electrical device I own (of which there are few) is ever on unless I'm activly using it. And all my lights are led or energy savers.
I also chose not to own a car, if a journey is less than 4 miles, I walk. I grow some of my own food, I recycle 80% plus of my household waste and I repair and mend when I can.
So if I chose to consolidate my Internet and phone needs into one device rather than two, Smashing it would be rather silly don't you think.
The fact is that electricity is not 'necessary' for humans and excessive use of electricity certainly isn't. Increasing electricity production won't help without a concerted effort to reduce it's use per capita.

Then it looks like we need a WWIII to thin numbers. Then we won't need to produce more energy.
slugboy Mar 19, 2011

As a geologist, well I was, now retrained. I do have the long term perspective. Nuclear power is a bad short term patch over a long term problem, why hand my potential great grandchildren such a dirty inheritance if I don't have to?
Brown🎵Note Mar 19, 2011

slugboy wrote:
As a geologist, well I was, now retrained. I do have the long term perspective. Nuclear power is a bad short term patch over a long term problem, why hand my potential great grandchildren such a dirty inheritance if I don't have to?

Get off. We don't need electricity, but life is unacceptably crap without it. You get rid of it first. And not just your home... Your hospital, your restaurants, your natural gas pumps, your cars, trains, (try building a bicycle without it..). Eliminate mass media, weather forecasting, refrigeration, pharmaceuticals, mass food production.... Yes. I'd say we need it. Unless mass starvation is good with you.
A geologist that thiks he can make a difference... Weird.
👿Belial Mar 19, 2011

Brown Note👊🔨💀 wrote:
slugboy wrote:
As a geologist, well I was, now retrained. I do have the long term perspective. Nuclear power is a bad short term patch over a long term problem, why hand my potential great grandchildren such a dirty inheritance if I don't have to?

Get off. We don't need electricity, but life is unacceptably crap without it. You get rid of it first. And not just your home... Your hospital, your restaurants, your natural gas pumps, your cars, trains, (try building a bicycle without it..). Eliminate mass media, weather forecasting, refrigeration, pharmaceuticals, mass food production.... Yes. I'd say we need it. Unless mass starvation is good with you.
A geologist that thiks he can make a difference... Weird.

That was my point.
👿Belial Mar 19, 2011

And to slugboy as rush limbaugh said the only thing beautiful about a tree is what we can make it into after we cut it down ;)
👿Belial Mar 19, 2011

slugboy wrote:
As a geologist, well I was, now retrained. I do have the long term perspective. Nuclear power is a bad short term patch over a long term problem, why hand my potential great grandchildren such a dirty inheritance if I don't have to?

There is very little evidence that nuclear power does the type of damage you seen to think it does. Enviroentalisys want to get away from fossil fuels but at the same time shun any acceptable alternative out there. Electricity offers us a good quality of life. Life would be dull and meaningless without it
👿Belial Mar 19, 2011

I'll be damned straight if I would take steps to lower the quality of my life because people like you think it would be be good for the planet.
slugboy Mar 19, 2011

Where did I say the world should renounce electricity??
Just reduce consumption. Do people need the tv in most rooms. Do they need to change phones every year, and their car every 3?
I use less than half the average gas and electric of a comparable uk home so about a third of a comparable USA one. My good quality of life is not in question. It is indestinguishable from the average man