Anyone have thoughts or cares about Schedule F reinstatement
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2020 schedule F was reinstated yesterday. Any federal career employees whose position includes the creation or modification of policy or rules can now be terminated with broader ease based on performance. The schedule states that no one under this category can undermine or not follow through Administration’s (White House or legislative)policies and directives. They have the right to disagree but zero right to not fully implement to the best of their ability
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If it’s ok for a convicted felon to be president then I guess he can make whatever rules he wants. Government employees have always been subject to a whole lot of different rules than private sector employees anyway.
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In the private sector- employers fire those who don’t or won’t do what the boss tells them to do. In the public sector the employees routinely self identify what is regulation, what is policy and what is standard operating procedure. With exception to lawyers in public sector, who do review and provide input on proposed policy and rule changes, it isn’t the role of public. Employees to self determine what is legal and what is not. The public employee can feel or believe a specific way, but should they be allowed to circumvent, stall or hinder directives given by a superior in their job?
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It’s a good question. For the most part I believe that you do what you’re told. If you don’t like it, get another job. If you take a stand then you have to potentially pay for taking that risk with potential job loss.
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As a career federal employee, I’m all for it. It makes things uncomfortable in the agency, but it’s the nature of working for politicians, and it’s what’s right.
We need to get behind the elected leaders and help them implement policy. If some of us can’t stomach it, there are other jobs out there.
I sat around for 4 years watching “Inflation Reduction Act” money get obscenely pumped into government for policies I didn’t agree with, but I did my job. Government spending for inflation reduction…. You can’t make this stuff up.
Now it’s the other side’s turn. We work for the people, and this is what the people want.
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Brown🎵Note wrote:
Quite an integrity dilemma some will face. Taking an oath of office pledging allegiance to the government (not a party) and not based on personal political views. On the other hand they have to live with themselves if work duties aren’t congruent to their core convictions.As a career federal employee, I’m all for it. It makes things uncomfortable in the agency, but it’s the nature of working for politicians, and it’s what’s right.
We need to get behind the elected leaders and help them implement policy. If some of us can’t stomach it, there are other jobs out there.
I sat around for 4 years watching “Inflation Reduction Act” money get obscenely pumped into government for policies I didn’t agree with, but I did my job. Government spending for inflation reduction…. You can’t make this stuff up.
Now it’s the other side’s turn. We work for the people, and this is what the people want.
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Nothing that has been instituted rises to the atrocities of the Nazi regime. Yet the hyperbole language of fascist, nationalism, and direct comparisons of those buzzwords to Trump breed the aura of “music stand against the evil” for some. It is easy to say people should have said no more o Hitler policies. Using that sentiment against Trump is a lack of integrity and honesty- which is why the Dems were rejected by their own constituents in my opinion (worth less than 2 cents)
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〓∞Persephone∞〓 wrote:
Meanwhile musk is just having the time of his life 🫡Nothing that has been instituted rises to the atrocities of the Nazi regime. Yet the hyperbole language of fascist, nationalism, and direct comparisons of those buzzwords to Trump breed the aura of “music stand against the evil” for some. It is easy to say people should have said no more o Hitler policies. Using that sentiment against Trump is a lack of integrity and honesty- which is why the Dems were rejected by their own constituents in my opinion (worth less than 2 cents)
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The problem here is the word “undermine.” It’s not a clearly defined and tangible terminology. It’s obviously being used because it is vague a term that allows extraordinary powers.
“Undermine” can be used as an excuse to get rid of anybody for anything.
(Ohhh… we see that she donated to help protect an endangered species. How radical of her.)
Which really has nothing to do with actual job performance.
It’s one thing to have a review based on performance and make corrections. (Common private sector practice.) It’s another to use policy to eliminate people in order to install loyalists. Which in past practice, is exactly why such vague phrases are used.
“Undermine” is the language of an Orwellian universe.
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“Undermine” can be used as an excuse to get rid of anybody for anything.
And there the nail is hit squarely on the head. Remember, the government doesn’t get to be the government by looking after others. They look after themselves and their own. -
𝕾𝖙𝖆𝖌𝖌𝖊𝖗 𝕷𝖊𝖊 wrote:
private donation on private time using private money cannot be a basis of work performance undermining directives. Using position to stall, subvert or poison pill a directive is.The problem here is the word “undermine.” It’s not a clearly defined and tangible terminology. It’s obviously being used because it is vague a term that allows extraordinary powers.
“Undermine” can be used as an excuse to get rid of anybody for anything.
(Ohhh… we see that she donated to help protect an endangered species. How radical of her.)
Which really has nothing to do with actual job performance.
It’s one thing to have a review based on performance and make corrections. (Common private sector practice.) It’s another to use policy to eliminate people in order to install loyalists. Which in past practice, is exactly why such vague phrases are used.
“Undermine” is the language of an Orwellian universe.
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The issue then becomes a private donor whose position duties is not meeting timeframes or results can then be used very subjectively to claim intentional undermining
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YOU wrote:
And for those who haven’t worked in government- there are literally a thousand ways things get delayed or go sideways that are far beyond an individual’s control. From budget, to unions, required collaboration with other agencies, state and municipal govt involvement, advocates, courts, mandates, accounting standards, the list is longer than the penal code. That is why a 4” lcd screen on a f-22 is $22,000.00. Have to pay everyone who looks over everyone else’s shoulder and get their approval before every step is takenThe issue then becomes a private donor whose position duties is not meeting timeframes or results can then be used very subjectively to claim intentional undermining
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This was the main cry of the red party 20 years ago when they wanted to privatize many government programs and services. It was rejected because the masses believe government standards are higher and private companies could exploit and defraud the masses. For some reason they are far more comfortable with government fraud and non compliance to standards.
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I wonder if that is due to situations like this when every 4 to 8 years an agency can be turned inside out and there is no CEO or majority shareholder who can serve a lifetime and ensure secrets are kept hidden
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A very populist notion is that a government should operate as “efficiently” as a private one.
The problem with that idea is: the government is a social institution run by civil servants. Private industries are entities run in the interest of profit.
Performance incentives are not the same between the two.
And that is what needs to be navigated.
Profit can be measured. But what is the bottom line for terrorism prevention?
We can take the case of Richard Clark, who warned of a likely strike just prior to 9/11. But it was George Bush who told him that he ,“didn’t wanna hear anything about Osama bin Laden bin anymore.”
The rest is history. So who is to blame there? Do we fire the president?
While there may be some overlap between the two worlds, private industry and government are two totally different beasts.
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𝕾𝖙𝖆𝖌𝖌𝖊𝖗 𝕷𝖊𝖊 wrote:
Agree to this. Areas like national defense shouldn’t never be privatized. Are their areas that should be? Civil service- what is the best way to serve the citizens? Take healthcare- if it was fully government operated would we have better outcomes and a better system ? Currently there is government healthcare thru center for Medicaid services and private healthcare systems. Is one outperforming the other or are they feeding and undermining eachother? There are very valid arguments for pros and cons of each systemA very populist notion is that a government should operate as “efficiently” as a private one.
The problem with that idea is: the government is a social institution run by civil servants. Private industries are entities run in the interest of profit.
And that is what needs to be navigated.
Profit can be measured. But what is the bottom line for terrorism prevention?
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I agree. Both have their strong and weak points.
I personally am not so sour on government agencies as the trend seems to be these days.
Like many of us, I’m sure we’ve had some family members who’ve taken that route. And they’ve all been good hard-working people.
And not all agencies are the same.
Many like to scoff at the post office. But a deep inquiry will reveal, although it isn’t “profitable” as some think it should be - it is in fact, regarded as one of the most efficient organizations on the planet. Again, it’s a service that we’ve paid for already. It’s not meant to really be “profitable”.
I would also include NASA as highly successful and something that all American should be very proud of. The economic benefits born out of technological innovations is something we often forget.
I personally believe that a national healthcare system would be one of the greatest things we could do for ourselves.
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I’ve done both public and private sector. Some of the most hardworking and dedicated professionals in public sector who go way beyond job descriptions to serve their communities & for less pay than private sector & I have seen private sector employees milk the clock and do fuck all just because they can get away with it. They are truly 2 different worlds & comparing operational requirements is comparing apples to pinto beans
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〓∞Persephone∞〓 wrote:
Agree. I think there’s a lot of generalizations and projections of both public and private sectors.I’ve done both public and private sector. Some of the most hardworking and dedicated professionals in public sector who go way beyond job descriptions to serve their communities & for less pay than private sector & I have seen private sector employees milk the clock and do fuck all just because they can get away with it. They are truly 2 different worlds & comparing operational requirements is comparing apples to pinto beans
My father was involved with the court system. He supported a large family by doing the daily grind until retirement. During that time he was promoted and even became a spokesperson for UNICEF to help raise money for children. A state employee nonetheless.
There are many in public life doing good things with our “tax dollars” that we don’t ever hear about.
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