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ᎷᎪᏟᏦᎷᎬᏟᎻ ᎪᎠᎠ ᏦᎷ wrote:
I dont understand how starting two unfounded wars, destabalizing an entire region, and then leaving office iant his fault. Im really trying to understand. Obama has not been a perfect president, ill admit that. The Iran stuff will be costly. His inability to bring banks under control is dissapointing. Also, the fact he hasnt shut down Guantanemo is a huge dissapointment, but you cant blame the problems in the middle east on him, which roughly account fpr 70% of his spending. That is something Bush started and that Obama inheriated. If you know diffrent, please tell me.👆🖕🖕🖕 still Bush's fault. At what point will the state of the country be set at Obama feet? 20 years? 50?
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ᎷᎪᏟᏦᎷᎬᏟᎻ ᎪᎠᎠ ᏦᎷ wrote:
I figure the deficit is his fault because clinton left with a surplus and bush left with around $1.2 trillion in deficit. Meanwhile obama's was about $400 million.... How is it his fault?💣KA-BOOM💣 wrote:
ᎷᎪᏟᏦᎷᎬᏟᎻ ᎪᎠᎠ ᏦᎷ wrote:
The deficit is completely bush's fault though...dank weenies wrote:
ᎷᎪᏟᏦᎷᎬᏟᎻ ᎪᎠᎠ ᏦᎷ wrote:
✂️jimmy big-balls wrote:
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Good god. It's always going to be Bush's fault. It's ok. We will be blaming Nobama for decades!
How you figure? Liberals will be blaming Bush for 100 years like conservatives will blame Obama for 100 years.
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dank weenies wrote:
Yeah and bill clinton was only going to tax the "rich" and then he got elected and pass a retroactive tax increase and cut everybodys refund by 1/3-1/2 come on people if you make more than 250k a year you pay a tax lawyer about 7.5k and he fits u thru the loopholes in the tax code and saves u 15 to 20k flat tax no deductions and then the rich would pay their fair share but flat tax would put tax lawyers in the unemployment lines and since the govt is of the lawyers by the lawyers for the lawyers they wont have nothing that would make since to normal people who do real work for a living not like deadbeats who have done nothing but go to school their entire lives and feed at the govt teat (BERNIE SANDERS)ShytTAlker69 wrote:
According to his plans you only get taxed more if you make more than 250k a year so you should be fineI can't afford the taxes bernie will make me pay
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💣KA-BOOM💣 wrote:
So something is broken and your answer is to get the govt involed? Because the govt fixes everything it touches! "I am from the govt and I am here to help" you actually believe this?I think he is a pretty good candidate, after all medical expenses are the number 1 reason for filing personal bankruptcies in the US. Social health care isnt as bad as you americans think it is, we have it up north and I think it works out fine.
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P.S. they are all crooks give your kid a dollar and send him to the corner store for a soda and he comes back with a flat half drank soda and a half eaten candy bar and tells you that you owe the store 80 cents. What would you do about that? But its okay to let grown men and women do this because its the way they have been doing things for the past 80 years? Selling our country to the chinese who hold the note for almost all the debt google the debt clock and look at the taxpayer's share? What happens when the Chinese say its time to pay it back?
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ironold wrote:
Well the government is the only way to put regulations on things so you may not have a choice💣KA-BOOM💣 wrote:
So something is broken and your answer is to get the govt involed? Because the govt fixes everything it touches! "I am from the govt and I am here to help" you actually believe this?I think he is a pretty good candidate, after all medical expenses are the number 1 reason for filing personal bankruptcies in the US. Social health care isnt as bad as you americans think it is, we have it up north and I think it works out fine.
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I dont understand why people want to be regulated and micro managed, everybody wants everything handed to them on a silver platter. I dont know why people want the government telling them how to live and what to do all the time. I want them out of my life, and in the end id rather use the money i make on myself not to help some lazy ass who doesnt wanna work.
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ironold wrote:
As a canadian i have government healthcare, i know it works. Its not perfect but its better than whatever is going on in the states.💣KA-BOOM💣 wrote:
So something is broken and your answer is to get the govt involed? Because the govt fixes everything it touches! "I am from the govt and I am here to help" you actually believe this?I think he is a pretty good candidate, after all medical expenses are the number 1 reason for filing personal bankruptcies in the US. Social health care isnt as bad as you americans think it is, we have it up north and I think it works out fine.
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°|¤LEEROY¤|° wrote:
Maybe because the unregulated for-profit healthcare system was not only the most expensive, it was the most exclusive, and served no purpose other than to financially fuck over the citizenry while enriching the insurance and pharmaceutical companies.I dont understand why people want to be regulated and micro managed, everybody wants everything handed to them on a silver platter. I dont know why people want the government telling them how to live and what to do all the time. I want them out of my life, and in the end id rather use the money i make on myself not to help some lazy ass who doesnt wanna work.
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I dont understand why people want to be regulated and micro managed, everybody wants everything handed to them on a silver platter. I dont know why people want the government telling them how to live and what to do all the time. I want them out of my life, and in the end id rather use the money i make on myself not to help some lazy ass who doesnt wanna work.
Maybe because the unregulated for-profit healthcare system was not only the most expensive, it was the most exclusive, and served no purpose other than to financially fuck over the citizenry while enriching the insurance and pharmaceutical companies.
Malpractice lawsuits=risk and you cant have risk with out a reward to counter balance the risk. Go to the Philippines and you can get quality health care from havard educated doctors for pennys on the dollar with almost no govt involvement u also cant sue for billons in punative damages -
💣KA-BOOM💣 wrote:
I disagree. When I worked at the US-Canadian border I would see several Canadians coming to the U.S. for medical procedures every week. I often asked them why were coming down to the states to get the care. The most common response was that they feared they would have to wait so long for the treatment they might die of their illness/cancer before they were seen in Canada.ironold wrote:
As a canadian i have government healthcare, i know it works. Its not perfect but its better than whatever is going on in the states.💣KA-BOOM💣 wrote:
🔪I think he is a pretty good candidate, after all medical expenses are the number 1 reason for filing personal bankruptcies in the US. Social health care isnt as bad as you americans think it is, we have it up north and I think it works out fine.
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Well seeing several come when the country of 35 million must mean it isnt working. You are right. Nevermin the Canadians on the boatd who say it works fine. Is it perfect, no, but ot is far superior to the clusterfuck of a system we have now. Healthcare and perpetual war are bankrupting our country, and unless we do something about it, we are screwed. Neother Hillary nor Trump are even acknowldging the problem. Thats why I am pro-Bernie.
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ironold wrote:
Its not wanting to be micromsnaged, its wanting the system to work for everyone. The system is rigged for the wealthy and people vote sgainst their interest because of the American delusion that I am about to be wealthy and I want to keep all my money. The problem is that its not happening anymore. 45 of the 50 richest people in our country inherited their wealth.I dont understand why people want to be regulated and micro managed, everybody wants everything handed to them on a silver platter. I dont know why people want the government telling them how to live and what to do all the time. I want them out of my life, and in the end id
Malpractice lawsuits=risk and you cant have risk with out a reward to counter balance the risk. Go to the Philippines and you can get quality health care from havard educated doctors for pennys on the dollar with almost no govt involvement u also cant sue for billons in punative damages -
Nicky Six Toes wrote:
So something that "works" for a county of 35 million people is automatically scalable to a country of 350 million people? If you think socialized medicine is the answer for the United States, look into the VA health system. If you like what you see you haven't looked very hard. That's not what I want for me or my family.Well seeing several come when the country of 35 million must mean it isnt working. You are right. Nevermin the Canadians on the boatd who say it works fine. Is it perfect, no, but ot is far superior to the clusterfuck of a system we have now. Healthcare and perpetual war are bankrupting our country, and unless we do something about it, we are screwed. Neother Hillary nor Trump are even acknowldging the problem. Thats why I am pro-Bernie.
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VA = veterans administration, not Virginia.
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✯RagnarLoðbrók✯ wrote:
So the dealings of a few hundred people set the standard for all of the country? But yes, it is not prefect.💣KA-BOOM💣 wrote:
✂️ironold wrote:
As a canadian i have government healthcare, i know it works. Its not perfect but its better than whatever is going on in the states.💣KA-BOOM💣 wrote:
🔪I think he is a pretty good candidate, after all medical expenses are the number 1 reason for filing personal bankruptcies in the US. Social health care isnt as bad as you americans think it is, we have it up north and I think it works out fine.
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✯RagnarLoðbrók✯ wrote:
Don't you guys get tired of repeating the same mindless rhetoric over and over again?Nicky Six Toes wrote:
So something that "works" for a county of 35 million people is automatically scalable to a country of 350 million people? If you think socialized medicine is the answer for the United States, look into the VA health system. If you like what you see you haven't looked very hard. That's not what I want for me or my family.thing about it, we are screwed. Neother Hillary nor Trump are even acknowldging the problem. Thats why I am pro-Bernie.
But we have a different population number...wahhhh. Lamest BS rebuttle of all time.
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★Λddi★ wrote:
Forget the numbers the veterans admin is what you will get when the U.S. govt takes over health care✯RagnarLoðbrók✯ wrote:
Don't you guys get tired of repeating the same mindless rhetoric over and over again?Nicky Six Toes wrote:
So something that "works" for a county of 35 million people is automatically scalable to a country of 350 million people? If you think socialized medicine is the answer for the United States, look into the VA health system. If you like what you see you haven't looked very hard. That's not what I want for me or my family.thing about it, we are screwed. Neother Hillary nor Trump are even acknowldging the problem. Thats why I am pro-Bernie.
But we have a different population number...wahhhh. Lamest BS rebuttle of all time.
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So something that "works" for a county of 35 million people is automatically scalable to a country of 350 million people?
Completely is. As someone who has spent some time in VA hospitals, some of them run incredibly well. The argument that our population expels us from doing things that smaller countries do is ridiculous. Look at our interstate system. Our military. Our language. All of those things should not be able to happen because of our population. Yet, they all do. Simultaneoualy running two wars in a diffrent part of the world is far more complex. If it were something that the politicians saw as a right, it would be done. The fact that we have sick people, American citizens, not going to the doctor for fear of cost, is sad. And, by the way, goverment is already in healthcare, big time. Unless all you frequent are privately funded hospitals, take non FDA approved drugs, or pay diffrent prices for medical care, as set by govt pricing, you are already under the goverments control my friend. -
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