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Could it be that Russia is releasing more informationthan the US or Kiev, because Russian allied forces control the scene?
Could it be the Russians have better access to the site than Washington and Kiev combined?
Could it be that the Rissians know first hand what happened, because they have spoken with the operators that shot the plane down?I find it reasonable to believe the people responsible for shooting the plane down thought they were shooting at a military transport. That said, they need to come clean, explain their actions and thoughts. Furthermore, airlines need to do a better job avoiding airspace around known conflict zones. It may cost less fuel to fly that way, but the human cost is too high.
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roy o'bengal wrote:
Actually there are three. The Russians, fighters allied with Russia, and Ukraine. All three have SA-11's. All three were in the area.There is only one logical party that could have done it.
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✯RagnarLoðbrók✯ wrote:
I agree but what happens when they do come clean do they face charges. If so whose court, and doesn't that start a bigger issueCould it be that Russia is releasing more informationthan the US or Kiev, because Russian allied forces control the scene?
Could it be the Russians have better access to the site than Washington and Kiev combined?
Could it be that the Rissians know first hand what happened, because they have spoken with the operators that shot the plane down?I find it reasonable to believe the people responsible for shooting the plane down thought they were shooting at a military transport. That said, they need to come clean, explain their actions and thoughts. Furthermore, airlines need to do a better job avoiding airspace around known conflict zones. It may cost less fuel to fly that way, but the human cost is too high.
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Y would ukraine do it? When did they start shooting down planes? And when did the rebels get planes to shoot down. And why would they shoot it down when the plane came from the west of them not the east? Russia and the rebels are lumped together. If one did it so did the other
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They only face charges if their intent was shoot down a civilian airliner, if they intended to shoot down a military transport then they don't face charges. As I see it, intent is everything in this case. I think the fact that they initially bragged about shooting down a plane, then pulled the social media messages down when it became apparent it was a civilian plane, shows they thought they were shooting at a military target. The phone calls intercepted by Ukraine also support the notion they believed they were firing on a military target and were shocked to discover it was a civilian airliner.
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If there were a trial The Hague seems to be the logical location.
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Without subscribing to any conspiracy theories, Ukraine benefits from the result and as such I reckon any of the three parties could've been responsible.
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roy o'bengal wrote:
The Ukraine might do it, hoping the blame would fall on the Russians. They might also do it thinking it was a Russian spy plane or transport.Y would ukraine do it? When did they start shooting down planes? And when did the rebels get planes to shoot down. And why would they shoot it down when the plane came from the west of them not the east? Russia and the rebels are lumped together. If one did it so did the other
The Russians may arm, train and otherwise support the groups fighting against Ukraine, but to believe they call all the shots defies credulity.
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✯RagnarLoðbrók✯ wrote:
I see it a little different. Say for example two gangs were shooting at each other, and a normal person or a child got hit. That person would still go to jail rather he meant to shoot that person or not. If this makes any sense how I said itThey only face charges if their intent was shoot down a civilian airliner, if they intended to shoot down a military transport then they don't face charges. As I see it, intent is everything in this case. I think the fact that they initially bragged about shooting down a plane, then pulled the social media messages down when it became apparent it was a civilian plane, shows they thought they were shooting at a military target. The phone calls intercepted by Ukraine also support the notion they believed they were firing on a military target and were shocked to discover it was a civilian airliner.
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✯RagnarLoðbrók✯ wrote:
Why would a russian spy plane come from the west? And to think they would ( or any country) shoot down a plane full of kids and unknowing parties, for little a political money doesn't make sense for me.besides how much better off are they then before?roy o'bengal wrote:
The Ukraine might do it, hoping the blame would fall on the Russians. They might also do it thinking it was a Russian spy plane or transport.Y would ukraine do it? When did they start shooting down planes? And when did the rebels get planes to shoot down. And why would they shoot it down when the plane came from the west of them not the east? Russia and the rebels are lumped together. If one did it so did the other
The Russians may arm, train and otherwise support the groups fighting against Ukraine, but to believe they call all the shots defies credulity.
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roy o'bengal wrote:
A Russian plane might come from the west to not look like a Russian plane. I think the negative press Russia is recieving potentially helps the Ukrainian cause.✯RagnarLoðbrók✯ wrote:
Why would a russian spy plane come from the west? And to think they would ( or any country) shoot down a plane full of kids and unknowing parties, for little a political money doesn't make sense for me.besides how much better off are they then before?roy o'bengal wrote:
The Ukraine might do it, hoping the blame would fall on the Russians. They might also do it thinking it was a Russian spy plane or transport.The Russians may arm, train and otherwise support the groups fighting against Ukraine, but to believe they call all the shots defies credulity.
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roy o'bengal wrote:
Gangs are criminals. Rebels and armies fighting are different. As long as they are engaging legitimate military targets, if civilians get killed it is a tragedy, but not automatically a crime.✯RagnarLoðbrók✯ wrote:
I see it a little different. Say for example two gangs were shooting at each other, and a normal person or a child got hit. That person would still go to jail rather he meant to shoot that person or not. If this makes any sense how I said itI think the fact that they initially bragged about shooting down a plane, then pulled the social media messages down when it became apparent it was a civilian plane, shows they thought they were shooting at a military target. The phone calls intercepted by Ukraine also support the notion they believed they were firing on a military target and were shocked to discover it was a civilian airliner.
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War crimes
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roy o'bengal wrote:
There is a difference between an accidental civilian(s) death(s) and a war crime. Not every civilian death in a war zone is a war crime.War crimes
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They were outside the war zone
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roy o'bengal wrote:
No, they flew over the conflict zone.They were outside the war zone
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roy o'bengal wrote:
In 2001, Siberia Airlines Flight 1812. Why are you here commenting when you should be researching? Did CNN tell you all you need to know?Y would ukraine do it? When did they start shooting down planes?
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✯RagnarLoðbrók✯ wrote:
The Russians have the same access to information as the US does. The only evidence available would be what happened before the crash as that is recorded in live time, we don't have to go and find that do we? What happened in Ukrainian controlled airspace and what correspondence went on is what should be the subject at hand. Russia is releasing and analyzing satellite imagery, the same information would be available to US.Could it be that Russia is releasing more informationthan the US or Kiev, because Russian allied forces control the scene?
Could it be the Russians have better access to the site than Washington and Kiev combined?
Could it be that the Rissians know first hand what happened, because they have spoken with the operators that shot the plane down? -
★MΛΥΗΞΜ★ wrote:
So you didn't read the rest of what I said. I'm saying the rebels have no planes to shoot down. I guess you been over at rt a little to muchroy o'bengal wrote:
In 2001, Siberia Airlines Flight 1812. Why are you here commenting when you should be researching? Did CNN tell you all you need to know?Y would ukraine do it? When did they start shooting down planes?
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★MΛΥΗΞΜ★ wrote:
✯RagnarLoðbrók✯ wrote:
If that's the case y would they need to release anything? If everything they have is what Russia is releasing already?Could it be that Russia is releasing more informationthan the US or Kiev, because Russian allied forces control the scene?
Could it be the Russians have better access to the site than Washington and Kiev combined?
The Russians have the same access to information as the US does. The only evidence available would be what happened before the crash as that is recorded in live time, we don't have to go and find that do we? What happened in Ukrainian controlled airspace and what correspondence went on is what should be the subject at hand. Russia is releasing and analyzing satellite imagery, the same information would be available to US. -
Uhh to inform and provide their people with information? Why would they not should be your question...Roy, it is clear you already believe you know all of the answers, so why don't you putt along back to whatever news board you spew your horrifically expressed opinions on.
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I don't know all the answers but what your saying is not making sense. But guessing where you get your info from I see y.
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I don't know why this is really a debate. Fact is the flight being shot down is a tragedy and all the information has not been released yet. So no conclusion can be justified until more information is released. All I'm reading are opinions and conspiracies so this argument is relatively pointless.
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All I'm saying is that the who did it is common sense.the rebels shot it down, for any other group to shoot it down doesn't make sense. Not even for the Russians to do it
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roy o'bengal wrote:
You are mistaken.All I'm saying is that the who did it is common sense.the rebels shot it down, for any other group to shoot it down doesn't make sense. Not even for the Russians to do it
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roy o'bengal wrote:
Guessing and making conclusions...lol trollI don't know all the answers but what your saying is not making sense. But guessing where you get your info from I see y.
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Right cause you didn't blame it on America. I guess that's not a guess ha
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✯RagnarLoðbrók✯ wrote:
Love the name that show is my shit. But where am I mistaken, if they didn't do it where is the other plane that they where bragging about taken down?roy o'bengal wrote:
You are mistaken.All I'm saying is that the who did it is common sense.the rebels shot it down, for any other group to shoot it down doesn't make sense. Not even for the Russians to do it
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And I see troll is a word used on here when somebody doesn't have something real to say
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roy o'bengal wrote:
I believe Russian allied fighters shot it down. You are mistaken to think that it doesn't make sense for anybody else to have shot it down.✯RagnarLoðbrók✯ wrote:
Love the name that show is my shit. But where am I mistaken, if they didn't do it where is the other plane that they where bragging about taken down?roy o'bengal wrote:
You are mistaken.All I'm saying is that the who did it is common sense.the rebels shot it down, for any other group to shoot it down doesn't make sense. Not even for the Russians to do it
I used this name for at least a year before that show came out.
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