Supreme Court rules against Rick Scott
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🔰darkmagician🔰 wrote:
Pay attention, we already settled the dispute. Fact checked and settled on both sides of the conversation lol. It's like you skim rather than read everything.Fnord any serious wrecks in Louisiana that I've ever heard of every driver involved was drug tested. I assumed it was commonplace honestly, it happens here all the time and I have no problem with it. In Louisiana if I rear end someone I'm immediately at fault under any circumstances. However, if the driver was impaired or on drugs then the fault is taken away from me. I know people who shoot shit up so often you can't tell when they're loaded or sober. Drug testing is very beneficial in situations like that.
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ᎷᎪᏟᏦᎷᎬᏟᎻ ᎪᎠᎠ ᏦᎷ wrote:
Yes, because it doesn't cost society more when you ignore the weakest among you. Good idea 👍★Λddi★ wrote:
ᎷᎪᏟᏦᎷᎬᏟᎻ ᎪᎠᎠ ᏦᎷ wrote:
Why? This conversation is clearly already settled, not only by Florida tried and failed statistics but by the Supreme Court as well.★fnord★ wrote:
ᎷᎪᏟᏦᎷᎬᏟᎻ ᎪᎠᎠ ᏦᎷ wrote:
It's relevant because it establishes the legal precedent that probe process.And all this is relevant to drug testing welfare recipeants and employees how???
Would a clause at the bottom of the welfare app saying that by signing you consent to future random testing be enough?
If you boot people off welfare that fail a drug test, eventually you will recoup the cost of the test....
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I didn't make them the weakest, they made theirselves the weakest. Stop punishing my success and rewarding failure. Write a $15,000 check to the IRS and then tell me you're ok with drug addicts getting welfare. I'd write more, but i just started a 600 mile drive to go to work to pay for welfare.
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💋ƀཞḭʑʑ💋 wrote:
ᎷᎪᏟᏦᎷᎬᏟᎻ ᎪᎠᎠ ᏦᎷ wrote:
I didn't make them the weakest, they made theirselves the weakest. Stop punishing my success and rewarding failure. Write a $15,000 check to the IRS and then tell me you're ok with drug addicts getting welfare. I'd write more, but i just started a 600 mile drive to go to work to pay for welfare.
This is why it's personal to me. It's personal because you are willfully ignoring fact. Less than three percent of welfare recipients failed drug tests.
But you don't give a shit about fact. You care more about your devotion to the stereotype of the welfare queen than to fact. You can't be logical.Please explain how I was anything but logical! Or better yet, ride around with me for a day and come meet about 3 dozen of these welfare queens!
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As for the 3% who failed their drug tests, awesome! Now kick those 3% off my bill!
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💋ƀཞḭʑʑ💋 wrote:
ᎷᎪᏟᏦᎷᎬᏟᎻ ᎪᎠᎠ ᏦᎷ wrote:
As for the 3% who failed their drug tests, awesome! Now kick those 3% off my bill!
You aren't the only person who pays taxes. The way you feel about welfare, that's how I feel about the military budget. So I'll make you a deal then. We can say that my part of the pot goes towards GA and yours goes towards military.
Hell I agree. Cut the military budget too. And AG, education, and a hell of a lot more! Give me a national sales tax so I decide how much of my money the government gets. I knew you'd come around to the smart side eventually.
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Small point: that military you hate has to drug test........
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★Λddi★ wrote:
No I read but I'm not talking to any of them. If I adress what everyone in this thread says I'll be here all day. I'm just letting you know is all haha.🔰darkmagician🔰 wrote:
Pay attention, we already settled the dispute. Fact checked and settled on both sides of the conversation lol. It's like you skim rather than read everything.Fnord any serious wrecks in Louisiana that I've ever heard of every driver involved was drug tested. I assumed it was commonplace honestly, it happens here all the time and I have no problem with it. In Louisiana if I rear end someone I'm immediately at fault under any circumstances. However, if the driver was impaired or on drugs then the fault is taken away from me. I know people who shoot shit up so often you can't tell when they're loaded or sober. Drug testing is very beneficial in situations like that.
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💋ƀཞḭʑʑ💋 wrote:
ᎷᎪᏟᏦᎷᎬᏟᎻ ᎪᎠᎠ ᏦᎷ wrote:
Small point: that military you hate has to drug test........
What military who hates? You REALLY like to take things out of context. Don't like the way they're overfunded=\= hates the military.
U said.... The way you feel about welfare, that's how I feel about the military budget. So I'll make you a deal then... I hate welfare so thought u meant u hated the military. Just reading your words is all.....
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ᎷᎪᏟᏦᎷᎬᏟᎻ ᎪᎠᎠ ᏦᎷ wrote:
We already have a national sales tax...on the labor you voluntarily sell to your employer, or on the open market. You are already in complete control of how much of your money the government gets. You are not being forced to sell your labor and I assume you don't believe we have a right to a living, taxable wage. Selling your labor is a completely voluntary transaction, unlike say, buying goods and services essential to survival. Not to mention that in our consumer economy taxing consumption more seems like a really bad idea on it's face. It would drive down consumer demand, where by comparison a tax on labor has no equivalent negative effect on economic activity. "I'll pass on that raise to avoid the extra taxes" or "I'll forgo a chance to expand my company's market share for fear of the tax implications" said no person ever.✂️Give me a national sales tax so I decide how much of my money the government gets.✂️
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So by 👆 you mean if I choose to not work and live off welfare I don't have to pay any taxes and I still get what I need to live? No wonder so many are on the dole.
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A little bit of simple math on a national sales tax:
Total federal expenditures in 2013 were about $3.5 Trillion.
Total US retail sales in 2013 were $4.53 Trillion.
If we eliminated income, payroll and other taxes and switched to a flat consumption tax as you suggest, that tax rate would have to be 77% national sales tax, on top of state and local sales taxes. just to break even at our current spending levels. A $15000 car would increase in cost to $26550. Shrink government spending to a quarter of it's current size and we'd still need a 19% national sales tax just to get to a balanced budget. We'd be at 3rd world per-capita spending levels though, so there would be a huge shortfall that states would have to make up for by increasing their taxes, not to mention the lower consumer demand, crumbling infrastructure and rise of black and grey markets would yield ever diminishing revenues from the proposed national sales tax...
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...But hey, at least a person living hand to mouth on $20,000 would be kicking in around 25% of their salary in taxes. A family of four living on $50,000 and spending 80% of their disposable income would have an annual sales tax liability of around 15%, or about what it is now. Someone pulling down $2 million and rocking a annual household budget of a million dollars would only be asked to contribute 4.75% of their annual income. Is this the vision of tax fairness, small government, and economic prosperity you had in mind?
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ᎷᎪᏟᏦᎷᎬᏟᎻ ᎪᎠᎠ ᏦᎷ wrote:
Yes, if you quit working and were sharp enough to lawfully navigate the system to it's maximum benefit, you would probably be lucky to get the bare minimum you need to live on. You would have to prove that you have less that $1000 in total cash and assets to your name. You would have to follow ongoing compliance rules and regularly report personal details about your life to the government. There's a lifetime limit of 60 months for most GA, so you'd have that to think about as well. Don't want to use up your entire share of the people's generosity in one go just in case, right? But yeah, sure. If that sounds worth it to you then I say go for it. Most people want more out of life and are willing to pay the price of admission to a civilized society (taxes), but I suppose that's not for everyone.you mean if I choose to not work and live off welfare I don't have to pay any taxes and I still get what I need to live?
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★fnord★ wrote:
ᎷᎪᏟᏦᎷᎬᏟᎻ ᎪᎠᎠ ᏦᎷ wrote:
Yes, if you quit working and were sharp enough to lawfully navigate the system to it's maximum benefit, you would probably be lucky to get the bare minimum you need to live on. You would have to prove that you have less that $1000 in total cash and assets bout your life to the government. There's a lifetime limit of 60 months for most GA, so you'd ne go just in case, right? But yeah, sure. If that sounds worth it to you then I say go for it. Most people want more out of life and are willing to pay the price of admission to a civilized society (taxes), but I suppose that's not for everyone.you mean if I choose to not work and live off welfare I don't have to pay any taxes and I still get what I need to live?
Lmfao!!!! Do you even live in America? Will respond to all 👆in a sec
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First. I personally say cut government spending at bare minimum of 75%. Across the board, every department that doesn't get completely eliminated from the start gets a 75% cut. Every single one of them. Now the sales tax makes a lot more sense.
I have no clue where you live, but I wish there was a 5 year limit on assistance. My little sister, brother, mother, girlfriend, and about 50 others I know have been on snap, Medicare, tanf (?), and section 8 for at least 14 years that I know of. About every 3 months my gf gets a thing in the mail where she has to answer some questions. Takes about 7 min to fill out. (Cont...) -
Now, out of the people I just listed, there isn't a SINGLE one of them that can't work. They choose not to. There's not a thing in the world wrong with any of them. 2 of them actually work for cash under the table from a friend of mine. If u look at my GF, she owns her own home, has a 45k SUV in the driveway, coach purse and all name brand clothes. Yet she still gets SNAP and Medicare for the kids. And, smokes about half an ounce of weed a week. Now, that really seem fair to you?
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No, that's not fair at all and yet you are just sitting by and watching them take advantage of the system without turning them in for their alleged fraud. What is wrong with you? This is your chance to make a difference in the one area that most bothers you and you've just sat by and watched it go down for 14 years? Can you say aiding and abetting? Shit, PM me their names and addresses and I'll turn them in if you won't. You want to make a difference? Now's your chance.
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Wait, are you saying you live with your girlfriend? Are you the head of household? If so, and you are making enough to pay $15,000 in taxes as you say, you are both committing fraud. Her by not disclosing her true household assets and you by having your household illegally receive benefits. This is ridiculous, you need to make this right. Jesus, what a mess.
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Cutting government spending by 75% is so completely ridiculous, it's not even worth going into. We would turn ourselves into Somalia overnight. Your job, your investments, your safety and security, everything you value would disappear as the world economy collapsed into the deepest crater of a recession imaginable. If that's your idea of a well-reasoned solution, you're doing it wrong. Sorry to be so blunt, but damn that's shortsighted.
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HAHAHA another example of the willful hypocrite you are, mackmech. So you are one of the 3% taking advantage of my hard earned money! Still! After we payed for you to be taken care of in "the system" through your childhood. Rehabilitated you in prison. And now you're admitting to being a party to fraud. Let's not forget that time you bragged about owning guns knowing it's a felony for a felon to do so. You are the essence of what you, yourself, hate. It's unbelievable really. You either make this shit up to further your tea party driven "I hate society" cause (completely plausible- happens more than welfare fraud) or you're simply a taker, a drain on the system as you'd call it, from birth to present day. Maybe that's why you think everyone is useless that is under privileged because that's you and your families gig. Am I right?
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You'll never cease to amaze me with how asinine you are. Even if you take out the GA bit. You've cost the tax payer more than you could ever pay back in taxes. You have a life now because of the system you hate. Logic? My ass. You wouldn't know logic if it slapped you in the face.
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I don't claim head of household or claim her kids on my taxes. I also don't use her address. She has no assets other than her house. The SUV is in my corp name (as are all my assets). Turning in those people won't make any diff at all. But weather u believe it or not, that's how the system is played all over America. Driving still. I'll scroll up and try to address more. 1 question: in your math on taxes, how did u come to the %s? May have missed it since I'm focused on driving.
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ᎷᎪᏟᏦᎷᎬᏟᎻ ᎪᎠᎠ ᏦᎷ wrote:
Right, the "why bother" response. You might as well enable instead, eh? Guilty by association my friend...again big IF it's even close to the truth. Of course you people are the only people that can point out a dozen of these welfare queens in their lives. I've personally never known one and I grew up in the poor south where it's supposedly bountiful. But hey, what sways logic and fact better than anecdotes?I don't claim head of household or claim her kids on my taxes. I also don't use her address. She has no assets other than her house. The SUV is in my corp name (as are all my assets). Turning in those people won't make any diff at all. But weather u believe it or not, that's how the system is played all over America. Driving still. I'll scroll up and try to address more. 1 question: in your math on taxes, how did u come to the %s? May have missed it since I'm focused on driving.
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Addi girl, bless your heart. That's really about all that can be said. I'll be up for the next 20 hours between this drive and my 12 hour shift. I'll gladly send whatever proof you need. I'll PM my real name so u can google me. Along with pics of the .45 Ruger in the glovebox. There are people in my alliance pal room that saw my checks as well. Why all the hate girl? Let all that go and follow brizz over to the light!
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Btw, for all you people that are disillusioned and think we are really taxed too much...do a little research. We are at the bottom of the pile in comparison the the rest of the first world. The great society that was created from a high variable of socialism (redistribution of wealth with super high taxes) after World War II floated us into the biggest middle class in the world. Well, we stopped paying all those taxes and we are nearly at the opposite end of that spectrum now and have been sliding the scale in a big way since Reagan. We pay a mere fraction of what made this country innovative and at the top of the pile. How we so easily forget the mechanics of it all. What a shame. But hey keep telling yourself we are the best. We aren't the best anymore. That would be Canada now that has taken the number one spot with their middle class.
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Did you really complain about your GFs fancy SUV to say she doesn't deserve welfare then admit that it is in your name? If you are not a party to fraud by the letter of the law, it sure sounds like you are in spirit. It just gets worse and worse. How about you take responsibility for your family so I don't have to? You can clearly afford it based on your tax liability. You know how many people I have known in my life on welfare? One. My brother got section 8 for two years while he was doing adult job training (he has learning disabilities). All this shady shit that apparently surrounds you...maybe it's not them, maybe it's you. Perhaps you should get your own house in order before you start telling other people what to do with "your money".
I arrived at a 19% national retail sales tax by quartering our current total government expenditures (your drastic 75% spending cut), then dividing that by our total annual retail sales of $4.53T to find the required tax rate to break even:
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She has a point, Mack. If you can't be bothered to reform the welfare system in your own immediate family, why should anyone take you seriously when you screech about all the other freeloaders that need to be dealt with? Do you honestly live by the values you express here or is it just a cynical ploy for a attention?
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ᎷᎪᏟᏦᎷᎬᏟᎻ ᎪᎠᎠ ᏦᎷ wrote:
It's not bless my heart if it's all truth. It's bless your heart my dear. I don't hate you... I do hate hypocrisy though. Other than that first sentence I have no idea what you're saying to me. I didn't ask for proof of your illegal gun or your paycheck. The facts are 15k a year in taxes are not going to cover the millions you cost the rest of us. Therefore what you claim to be yours is simply a debt owed (in your eyes) to society...that could never be fulfilled by 15k a year.Addi girl, bless your heart. That's really about all that can be said. I'll be up for the next 20 hours between this drive and my 12 hour shift. I'll gladly send whatever proof you need. I'll PM my real name so u can google me. Along with pics of the .45 Ruger in the glovebox. There are people in my alliance pal room that saw my checks as well. Why all the hate girl? Let all that go and follow brizz over to the light!
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Why did you mention your traveling (across state lines?) with your illegal gun on the internet? WTF? Did you like jail so much that you want to go back? You sound like a disaster waiting to happen, man. Need to slow your roll.
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