Forums, have I had a stroke of genius or astroke and gone crazy?
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First of all I would just like to say that this is WAY off-topic and has absolutely nothing to do with tw, now, onto the topic: Well while I was walking my dog I had a stroke (of genius?), far fetched I know but remember Einstein came up with the theory of relativity while sitting on a bus on his way home from work. I think I've found a way to make atleast a few places in the world utopian, get rid of all forms of currency, now hear me out first! The root of MOST evil is greed, jealousy, and envy, i know eliminating money won't get rid of all of the things that cause misery but it'll eliminate a good percentage of it. Then people will do things because they want to, not because they need the paycheck, some people want to build things, they like the feeling of accomplishment it gives or some other reason, but who wants to make guns/weapons, things that main use is causing misery (you can hunt with a bow and arrow if you want to) that will drastically reduce crime rates.
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Yes, I know people will still be opposed to each other, but this will hopefully make things less violent by making the means to make things violent less acessable. Now I know this probably won't work currently today, #1 were probably to far gone already and #2 because I'm a idealist, I think work should stay within work hours and same with school and that ad long ad it isn't bothering anyone you should be able to do whatever you want with your time. So what do you think, in an IDEAL world would this work?
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There would be no consumer products. Everything would be put towards having a reasonable standard of living to all.
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And should Home Builders trade houses for baked goods? How many houses for a pie? And how do I get change back?
You outta read Adam Smith if you want a better understanding
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"anarcho syndicalist commune"
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Add MEN wrote:
It wouldn't work like that, see ideally it would be so people all have the ability of having something, they wouldn't be tempted to steal it then, but some people like to build houses for example and IDEALY they would just do it for the sense of accomplishment, bit no one is forcing them to build anythingAnd should Home Builders trade houses for baked goods? How many houses for a pie? And how do I get change back?
You outta read Adam Smith if you want a better understanding
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Trees would freak comrade
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ripd wrote:
no consumer products in the sense that you wouldn't be able to buy things but people would still have farmers, bakers, etc. The trick to this is that it has to be large enough to have enough diversity that there are enough people to bake/farm/build. (and IDEALY there wouldn't be any crazy cereal killers in the group or any free loaders)There would be no consumer products. Everything would be put towards having a reasonable standard of living to all.
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Add Britfury wrote:
...what?Trees would freak comrade
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You can't make 6 billion population to work voluntarily. We have drive and ambition, it's to be better and richer than others around us. That's how we are, that's how we'll stay. That's what drives world economies, science and technology, research and development, man-kind evolution. That's our planets infrastructure. You remove currency and value, your effectively for in people to work for free. Would that not be. Form of dictaorahip? Quite scary to be honest. We have the choice of living a simple, un-materialistic life, it's called native life, in the jungle.
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Sorry for dodgy grammar, damn iPhone!
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I don't think comparing yourself to Einstein makes any sense, kinda like me comparing myself to brad Pitt. You'd have to kill all the useless people in the world for your idea to even have a chance to work.
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So insted of money everything is going to be available everyone as everyone will magically organize themselves and get along without disagreement across geographical and idealogical lines?
Dealing with billions of people is complicated
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That's definitely a stroke of crazy
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Like communism, good idea, no chance of it working at all. Therefore, they both suck.
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vadan wrote:
Yes I know human nature is completely opposed to this, heck if it was implemented right now ther would probably be riots, but I'm a idealist, and on your second point, no one is forcing them, it's just ASKING them to make there hobbies more known.You can't make 6 billion population to work voluntarily. We have drive and ambition, it's to be better and richer than others around us. That's how we are, that's how we'll stay. That's what drives world economies, science and technology, research and development, man-kind evolution. That's our planets infrastructure. You remove currency and value, your effectively for in people to work for free. Would that not be. Form of dictaorahip? Quite scary to be honest. We have the choice of living a simple, un-materialistic life, it's called native life, in the jungle.
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for example, I like to fix things, nothing to complex but like fans and things, I also like building things, particularly with wood, if I put a sign in my yard saying I'll do those for free if people weren't so paranoid(but they have every right to be, not complaining just saying) I would probably have 10 people at my door within the hour, no ones forcing me to accept the work, I just want to
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originalbones wrote:
I'm not comparing my self in any way, I'm just showing an example of why not to dismiss me based on how I thought it upI don't think comparing yourself to Einstein makes any sense, kinda like me comparing myself to brad Pitt. You'd have to kill all the useless people in the world for your idea to even have a chance to work.
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I disagree. It wouldn't be by choice. You would be forcing the worlds population to barter for their livelyhood, otherwise how would we put food on the table? I get u as an idealists pov but this is borderline insane. Interesting in concept though.
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Add MEN wrote:
I'M AN IDEALIST I say it multiple times, I know it won't work in real life as it stands, but in a ideal world would it is what I'm askingSo insted of money everything is going to be available everyone as everyone will magically organize themselves and get along without disagreement across geographical and idealogical lines?
Dealing with billions of people is complicated
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There are no laws against doing things for free. If you want to do so then go ahead.
The system money supplies is what will take care of the nessesities while you do what you wanted to do for free
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I see nothing ideal in a moneyless world
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painkiller wrote:
What we have is the ideal world. We just would not survive any other way. So, no, it wouldn't work.Add MEN wrote:
I'M AN IDEALIST I say it multiple times, I know it won't work in real life as it stands, but in a ideal world would it is what I'm askingSo insted of money everything is going to be available everyone as everyone will magically organize themselves and get along without disagreement across geographical and idealogical lines?
Dealing with billions of people is complicated
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Add MEN wrote:
I know that, look, what I'm trying to say (I'm not very good at explaining things) is that if you get a large enough geoy of people together that this MIGHT work, I already know it won't work solo/with a small group, there won't be enough diversity for this to work, but in a large group, say your sinks broke, I gaurantee that in that geoup there is atleast one person there who would like to atleast tale a look at it and see what they can do, then you don't have to work to pay the plumber, thus giving you more times for your hobbies, and so on and so on, now I would like to emphasize that I do mean HOBBIE, as in you don't have to do it, but you like to so it so you just do itThere are no laws against doing things for free. If you want to do so then go ahead.
The system money supplies is what will take care of the nessesities while you do what you wanted to do for free
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Add MEN wrote:
O? You don't have to worry about the next rent, no credit card bills, heck you wouldn't even need credit cards! think small town sorda kinda (not size wise but atmosphere wise)I see nothing ideal in a moneyless world
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painkiller wrote:
originalbones wrote:
I'm not comparing my self in any way, I'm just showing an example of why not to dismiss me based on how I thought it upI don't think comparing yourself to Einstein makes any sense, kinda like me comparing myself to brad Pitt. You'd have to kill all the useless people in the world for your idea to even have a chance to work.
this reminded me of how the structure of benzene (the benezene ring) was discovered.
kerkule had a dream (or vision) of the ouroboros symbol, which is a snake eating it's own tail. this was the key to his breakthrough.
one never knows when genius may strike.
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It's like cutting a addict off cold turkey, at first it'll be he'll, yes, but after people sorda get "used to it" (I know that won't happen for a couple generations but it's the best phrase o could think of) then people will get the hang of it and settle in
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Well I see that theoretically it might work with the right people but realistically it goes against everything people were taut for god knows how many generations so pure anarchy would probably be more easily accepted than this, Ty 4 the feedback
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I could swear what ur trying to explain already exists. For example, if I had a leaky pipe, my friend is a plumber, he will help me for free. No money required. But that is a concept based on relationships. Before money was animals. Trading cows and camels for goods.
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I tell u 1 place this would/will work. Space, but this is many centuries away.
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