Paul Ryan Fillibuster

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ᎷᎪᏟᏦᎷᎬᏟᎻ ᎪᎠᎠ ᏦᎷ Mar 6, 2013

So, Paul Ryan is doing an actual Fillibuster against Brennen being nominated from being CIA director. How long can he go?
What he is trying to address is this (in a nutshell):
Do American citizens have protections against drone strikes on US soil? On foreign soil? I agree in killing terrorists, but do US citizens abroad still have constitutional protections and due process?
★fnord★ Mar 7, 2013

Senator Rand Paul is the potential filibusterer, not Representative Paul Ryan.
☠︎𝕰𝖆𝖘𝖙𝖜𝖔𝖔𝖉☠︎ Mar 7, 2013

Rand Paul👍. Thats why we have a Constitution.
mojopilot Mar 7, 2013

It's great what he's doing. One of the few politicians that actually believes in protecting our liberties and fixing the economic mess we are in.

But yes, Rand Paul, not Paul Ryan.
ᎷᎪᏟᏦᎷᎬᏟᎻ ᎪᎠᎠ ᏦᎷ Mar 7, 2013

By bad, already had a drink this evening. But the question is still posed: does a US citizen abroad still have US Constitutional protection?
★fnord★ Mar 7, 2013

ᎷᎪᏟᏦᎷᎬᏟᎻ ᎪᎠᎠ ᏦᎷ wrote:
✂does a US citizen abroad still have US Constitutional protection?

We're in a vague neverending war, and being at war gives the president broad powers to do almost anything in the name of protecting the homeland. Thank you, Dick Cheney. Under the Bush administration, we took a razor blade to one American citizen's genitals. Another American had his young son brought before him and they threatened to rape the boy in front of him if he didn't confess. That's just the stuff we know about. No one was ever prosecuted for these clear violations of the Constitution. Posse Commitatus was thankfully reinstated in 2008, but a back door was left with clearer definitions of what an enemy of the state is. Honestly though, my first reaction when I heard about it: They're filibustering yet another Obama appointment? Same story, different day, yawn.
mathamatics Mar 7, 2013

13 hours and it still got passed.
ᎷᎪᏟᏦᎷᎬᏟᎻ ᎪᎠᎠ ᏦᎷ Mar 7, 2013

★fnord★ wrote:
ᎷᎪᏟᏦᎷᎬᏟᎻ ᎪᎠᎠ ᏦᎷ wrote:
✂does a US citizen abroad still have US Constitutional protection?

We're in a vague neverending war, and being at war gives the president broad powers to do almost anything in the name of protecting the homeland. Thank you, Dick Cheney. Under the Bush administration, we took a razor blade to one American citizen's genitals. Another American had his young son brought before him and they threatened to rape the boy in front of him if he didn't confess. That's just the stuff we know about. No one was ever prosecuted for

True, but this was an attempt by one man to filibuster. Most of the time it's just a vote to not end debate and then they shelve it. He couldn't get the votes, so he decided to try to do a real filibuster.
★fnord★ Mar 7, 2013

ᎷᎪᏟᏦᎷᎬᏟᎻ ᎪᎠᎠ ᏦᎷ wrote:
★fnord★ wrote:
ᎷᎪᏟᏦᎷᎬᏟᎻ ᎪᎠᎠ ᏦᎷ wrote:
✂does a US citizen abroad still have US Constitutional protection?

✂

✂Most of the time it's just a vote to not end debate and then they shelve it. He couldn't get the votes, so he decided to try to do a real filibuster.

Rand Paul's talking filibuster changed nothing, it simply delayed the cloture vote...and gave him some much needed media attention. Don't get me wrong, I agree that this war on terror situation is FUBAR with regards to executive branch powers and lack of due process. It's just that I've been saying exactly this for the last 12 years and was called a coward and terrorist sympathizer by chickenhawk republicans for speaking out. Give me a minute to get my head around the idea that Rand Paul and I are suddenly now heroes and patriots.
ᏟᏞᏫNᎬ Mar 7, 2013

★fnord★ wrote:
ᎷᎪᏟᏦᎷᎬᏟᎻ ᎪᎠᎠ ᏦᎷ wrote:
★fnord★ wrote:
ᎷᎪᏟᏦᎷᎬᏟᎻ ᎪᎠᎠ ᏦᎷ wrote:
✂does a US citizen abroad still have US Constitutional protection?

✂

✂

Rand Paul's talking filibuster changed nothing, it simply delayed the cloture vote...and gave him some much needed media attention. Don't get me wrong, I agree that this war on terror situation is FUBAR with regards to executive branch powers and lack of due process. It's just that I've been saying exactly this for the last 12 years and was called a coward and terrorist sympathizer by chickenhawk republicans for speaking out. Give me a minute to get my head around the idea that Rand Paul and I are suddenly now heroes and patriots.
This. Fucking this.
〓UNDERTOW〓 Mar 8, 2013

Should the US government be able to use drone strikes against Americans on American soil without due process? ( 5th amendment right)
mojopilot Mar 8, 2013

Ùℵɖḝཞ Ʈʘώ wrote:
Should the US government be able to use drone strikes against Americans on American soil without due process? ( 5th amendment right)

Absolutely not!
We shouldn't be assissinating anyone within the us, terrorist or not. If someone is suspected of being a terrorist then it makes way more sense to arrest or otherwise capture them. That's the best way to get information.

The only exception is under a direct threat. If someone has an rpg pointed at a building, shoot them!
Silent Arcani Mar 8, 2013

Rand Paul's talking filibuster changed nothing, it simply delayed the cloture vote...and gave him some much needed media attention. Don't get me wrong, I agree that this war on terror situation is FUBAR with regards to executive branch powers and lack of due process. It's just that I've been saying exactly this for the last 12 years and was called a coward and terrorist sympathizer by chickenhawk republicans for speaking out. Give me a minute to get my head around the idea that Rand Paul and I are suddenly now heroes and patriots.
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DIЯTY B Mar 8, 2013

A 13 hour filibuster is no match for my daily output of wasted time!