Israel VS Hamas
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Brown🎵Note😲 wrote:
South Africa. Northern Ireland.What I'm "advocating" is the end of the suffering.
Historically speaking, there's only one way to do that.
If you have examples of such deep hatred between two peoples resolved in any other fashion, please share.
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c. wrote:
It the government in this situation. And also just because the people say they'd side with them, doesn't mean they would...cracker jagger
cnn poll yesterday showed americans side with israel over the palestinians by a 4 to 1 margin, people do care. obama already said peace starts with the palestinians halting rocket attacks. he basically justified israeli actions with that statement. we arm israel. didnt see what turkey did but they've been heading that direction for a few years now but israel isnt in nato so they are not allied(to the best of my knowledge). what else should we do? israel seems to have the situation controlled right now.
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♠Ƭϋʀғä♠ wrote: ✂✂
...you appear to be condoning what most people would regard as 'brainwashing' the younger generation.
✂✂I understand your point, but maybe think about it this way:
Universal education is the primary tool used by societies to homogenize a culture.
Multiculturalism good. Hitler bad.
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U.S. is Satan. Beat your wife properly.
It is a powerful weapon, which can be used for good or evil. It's an important weapon. It's not just Readin' Ritin' and Rithmatic'. It's shaping the cultural values of a people.
Sesame Street in the '70s pounded home racial equality. I grew up with that. Later, they pushed multiculturalism. I am no longer properly homogenized in my culture. My values differ. Fights happen.
Call it what you will, but it is used in this manner all over the world to great effect. Indoctrination? Brainwashing? Institutionalization? Programming? Education?
A rose is a rose.
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It's funny how people get excited over something they have no control over.
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Haha so you admit you have barbaric views, "I am no longer properly homogenized in my culture. My values differ. Fights happen". So your views are no longer relevant, make way for a new human kind. A civilized human kind. A human kind that is looking out for every humans rights. A civilized human race. See my views are constantly growing and changing with the world. Yours are constantly limiting development.
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Kill Hamas is all I have to say
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✰MAΥHΞΜ✰ wrote:
Until you get old, and society changes faster than you can. I was once you. Welcome to Peopleburg, where idealistic young people learn how the world really works.Haha so you admit you have barbaric views, "I am no longer properly homogenized in my culture. My values differ. Fights happen". So your views are no longer relevant, make way for a new human kind. A civilized human kind. A human kind that is looking out for every humans rights. A civilized human race. See my views are constantly growing and changing with the world. Yours are constantly limiting development.
Some things change. Many things don't.
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randombloke wrote:
South Africa. No war option. It was a psychological occupation. They lost, and "Palestine" is trying the same tactic.Brown🎵Note😲 wrote:
South Africa. Northern Ireland.What I'm "advocating" is the end of the suffering.
Historically speaking, there's only one way to do that.
If you have examples of such deep hatred between two peoples resolved in any other fashion, please share.
Northern Ireland. No-win scenario. There was no motive to keep fighting, and no significant differences between the two cultures. That was just a gang fight.
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Brown🎵Note😲 wrote:
ĭĉëɱȁɲȋǟή🇬🇧 wrote:
If you like what you read at "uscrusade", you know where your biases are. However, reading that summary of events does not change my opinion at all. I know the history of the region. Might doesn't make right. But might does make peace. Pay special attention to the bit where the Egyptians knew they couldn't win. No kidding.Don't quote me, just read the article!!
I'm NOT saying that Israel HAS to turn round and blow Palestine out of exsistance, they need to stop expanding onto territory which isn't theirs under the UN resolution that is stated in the article!!!I don't have any biases what so ever......... And that is just one article out of many!
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Brown🎵Note😲 wrote: ...Pay special attention to the bit where the Egyptians knew they couldn't win. No kidding.
What it doesn't mention is that Israel had substantial financial and military support from Britain and France to thank for their victory. Which gets to the point that this has always been a proxy war between the West and the Middle East. It's a fact that Israel would have never survived on their own. Now the proxy war is mainly US cash and tech vs. Saudi cash and Iranian tech. How do proxy wars like this usually end for a "superior" conventional force fighting against an entrenched enemy willing to use any tactic at their disposal? That's what keeps the Israelis from rolling into Gaza. They're already bleeding money on the blockade and the Iron Dome, a $30 billion ground invasion would be cost prohibitive for little benefit. Terrorists and guerillas don't beat you on the front end, they beat you where it hurts: in the pocketbook. -
I don't think it matters where the backing comes from. They have it. And as a nuclear nation, they will continue to have it.
The United States will not allow Israel to get desperate. It happened in 1967, and the outcome was predictable.
Until recently, Israel didn't have to march on Gaza. They were in there. They gave it back. Look at the result.
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Remind me again what course you are arguing for? "End the suffering through war", correct? I'm telling you, it's not that black and white and definitely not that simple. Can you imagine Al Qaida's delight at watching us tear our hair out over 9/11? All that tough talk about sending a message to those who attacked us. When we decided to invade Iraq they must have been over the moon. If you believe the news stories, OBL lived long enough to watch us nearly destroy our economy and our reputation, in no small part due to his influence. You are arguing from an outdated playbook where there are definitive winners and losers and to the victor goes the spoils and peace dividend. No longer. We either bankrupt ourselves fighting the "good" fight or we become the evil we are trying to destroy. Either way we lose. The leaders of Hamas are trying to bait Israel into invading Gaza as we speak, they know the score. They can't lose. This is the new reality. Get with the times, old man. 😉
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Reality hasn't changed at all.
The people are the same.
Only the attitudes are different.
An attitude adjustment will end the conflict.
Either an adjustment by the Arabs to modern attitudes, or an adjustment on Israel's part to stop pussyfooting around.
It's a land dispute. Both sides have a right to the land. There is no just solution.
The nomads that have recently gone national can either be Israeli, or they can leave. They chose conflict. They elected Hamas to represent them. The people themselves want conflict. Let them have it.
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Add TOW™ wrote:
Well, Hillary is on her way there now so everything will be fixed soon I'm sure.
Oh shit, there goes the neighborhood!!!!
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All bs aside, all sides are at fault. The history for some in the feud date back centuries. We now must determine how to limit the loss of innocent lives (collateral damage) and bring the major leaders back to a table. If all else fails, may the next proven democracy be brought before a bipartisan panel to declare the next step. Meaning, reform of the leaderships, rather than a revolt which will lead to blood shed and a shift in the region.
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Sleep Walker wrote:
Are you saying that the democratically elected Hamas should be denied leadership by a review board?All bs aside, all sides are at fault. The history for some in the feud date back centuries. We now must determine how to limit the loss of innocent lives (collateral damage) and bring the major leaders back to a table. If all else fails, may the next proven democracy be brought before a bipartisan panel to declare the next step. Meaning, reform of the leaderships, rather than a revolt which will lead to blood shed and a shift in the region.
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Brown🎵Note😲 wrote:
I don't disagree man ... I really was only pointing out that you might be opening another can of worms by perhaps not wording things as diplomatically as you could have.♠Ƭϋʀғä♠ wrote: ✂✂
I understand your point, but maybe think about it this way:
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It's an important weapon. It's not just Readin' Ritin' and Rithmatic'. It's shaping the cultural values of a people.Sesame Street in the '70s pounded home racial equality. I grew up with that. Later, they pushed multiculturalism. I am no longer properly homogenized in my culture. My values differ. Fights happen.
Call it what you will, but it is used in this manner all over the world to great effect. Indoctrination? Brainwashing? Institutionalization? Programming? Education?
A rose is a rose.
Heh. We are discussing war, and here I am dropping the diplomatic speech bomb 😏
Don't mind me mate.
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The question asked earlier by brown: Are you saying that the democratically elected Hamas should be denied leadership by a review board?
No, I don't believe I wrote anything pertaining specifically to Hamas. All players involved should be held accountable. What I'm saying is that war is ugly and few understand what it's like to be that soldier on the front line. The sacrifice... Weather it be a terrorist or a non terrorist organization. A combatant, or a reporter,... All the way to the leaders... Without accountability all notions will eventually be discredited. The leader must do what is best for his people, and must put his views aside for the greater good. When his emotions cloud his judgment and he no longer hears the voice of his people... it's time for a new leader. But reform rather than revolt is always better for the citizens.
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What is evilness?The act to coerce obedience to private ends,destroys beauty,produces pain,extinguishes life.Living creatures have the right to life and it is a wicked thing indeed to steal life for it is a truly precious possession.To show intolerance is another form of narcissism.Truth is within the preconceptions of he who wishes to define it.The past is never real.The flux of events is the present;one is able to enforce a pattern upon this flux but it is far wiser not to try. Vive la différence.
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We should learn our lessons from history and not repeat the same costly mistakes.Improve ourselves. Violence begets violence.
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vishbume wrote:
Yeah, like WWII. It was all so stupid. Let him have Europe and Asia; who gives a shit?We should learn our lessons from history and not repeat the same costly mistakes.Improve ourselves. Violence begets violence.
When a group of people get it in their heads to conquer the world, we should just invite them over for a chat and ask them nicely not to. If that fails, we should just let them have it.
......aaaaand, that's why we have war, threats of violence, dominance, and control from all parties involved.
Then again, mandating a peaceful resolution is also a form of control. We really should just ask nicely, and not force our cultural ideas on anyone.
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You are a walking talking contradiction.
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You guys think our Secretary of State is over there because she's really really good at negotiation?
No... She is over there waving our collective dicks around.
Any peace she secures will be nothing more than a forced handshake followed by kicking the conflict further down the road.
The West Bank didn't elect Hamas to lead them. Gaza elected militants to represent them. They WANT war. The thing is, after the war starts, they are counting on the rest of the world to feel sorry for them and end it. Stop holding back and give them the war they dream of.
Only THEN can we get closer to peace, one way or the other.
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Fuggeddaboutit! wrote:
This is Brown in a nutshell without the fancy embroidery.An uncouth dinosaur who first thinks to use the fist and would have a homogeneous society with each city an identikit populated by automatons.Nuke the fucks!! Israel got the atomic bomb from us back in ww2! Use it Israel! Drop that bomb and have a brisk party on ObombA!!!! Lol!!! Fuck them all!!!!
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Brown🎵Note😲 wrote:
You speak of innocents being "purged". Children,women and children caught up in the fighting. Those are dangerous thoughts,Brown, and would do a nazi proud.You guys think our Secretary of State is over there because she's really really good at negotiation?
No... She is over there waving our collective dicks around.
Any peace she secures will be nothing more than a forced handshake followed by kicking the conflict further down the road.
The West Bank didn't elect Hamas to lead them. Gaza elected militants to represent them. They WANT war. The thing is, after the war starts, they are counting on the rest of the world to feel sorry for them and end it. Stop holding back and give them the war they dream of.
Only THEN can we get closer to peace, one way or the other.
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vishbume wrote:
You speak of innocents being "purged". Children,women and children caught up in the fighting. Those are dangerous thoughts,Brown, and would do a nazi proud.
No, see, it was the allies that carpet bombed Germany and Japan. Get your sides right.
They have made it necessary to use force. Blame Hamas and those that elected them.... Like the world always has.
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vishbume wrote:
Sure, whatever. Ignore human history. Ignore human nature. Screw Darwin. What an ass. Let's all just get along.Fuggeddaboutit! wrote:
This is Brown in a nutshell without the fancy embroidery.An uncouth dinosaur who first thinks to use the fist and would have a homogeneous society with each city an identikit populated by automatons.Nuke the fucks!! Israel got the atomic bomb from us back in ww2! Use it Israel! Drop that bomb and have a brisk party on ObombA!!!! Lol!!! Fuck them all!!!!
Hey, dude...By the way, your neighbor wants to buy your daughter for yard work and pee-pee touch. Do not disrespect him, or you may find a present strapped under your car.
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Your failure to understand what I had written does not surprise me in the least. Every dogma has its fleas.Your grasp on history is , at best, a superficial and simplified one used and twisted to your own tastes in an attempt to justify your hate filled posts with sarcasm as its chief riposte.I could have heard deeper wisdoms from a lobotomized gibbon.Do you believe that you offer a choice lesson to our children? Not all is black and white. Re-check your erroneous way of thinking and read again what I had written before.Though, I suspect that one would have better success ignoring your rants.
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Brown🎵Note😲 wrote:
That's wrong. 26 out of 32 counties were won. And calling it a gang fight is highly insulting.randombloke wrote:
South Africa. No war option. It was a psychological occupation. They lost, and "Palestine" is trying the same tactic.Brown🎵Note😲 wrote:
South Africa. Northern Ireland.What I'm "advocating" is the end of the suffering.
Historically speaking, there's only one way to do that.
If you have examples of such deep hatred between two peoples resolved in any other fashion, please share.
Northern Ireland. No-win scenario. There was no motive to keep fighting, and no significant differences between the two cultures. That was just a gang fight.
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Thought so myself dear Ramb. I kept silent on this thread up to now but it ate at me and I didn't feel good about myself for not saying my piece. Never keep silent against bigots.
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