A historical debate
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So this year in school I am taking honors european history and honors American history. So I figured let's have a nice little historical debate here.
Declaration of Independence / the Constitution vs the Magna Carta / The Petition of Right.
If my history is wrong please let me know and I'll fix it, seeing as I've just started these classes and im reading the beginning of our book early on because I'm a nerd and have nothing better to do. BEGIN!
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I don't really think I exactly worded it correctly. Which do you think is better?
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YOU wrote:
And yes they are similar, which should make this a little harder than, say, capitalism vs communism.I don't really think I exactly worded it correctly. Which do you think is better?
And also I forgot to add the English Bill of Rights in there too
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Hm... Can't you focus on one topic?
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The dec of inde and the US constitution. It changed the game and now ironically enough, other countries try and model thier styles and forms of government using the US constitution as a template, while the people in the USA try everything they can to get further away from the constitution. Side note on the constitution: if you go and read what the first ten amendments (Bill of Rights) actually says - there is not a bunch of rights there. It is really only a few things. That's why keeping them are so important!
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Eurs Kweik wrote:
What exactly do you meanHm... Can't you focus on one topic?
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GREAT, more debates. Just watch, this'll turn religious soon.
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Even if you try not to look at it as capitalism vs. socialism you can't. The dec of inde and the us constitution shifted the focus to the individual where as the latter was a "bestowing" from the "haves" to the "have-nots". Within socialism or even a social democracy's, the government always knows what's best for you. They decide for you and of course that means that from time to time they will throw the masses a few bones. But make no mistake, that is not liberty and only a comparative view of freedom.
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You know which I'm voting for😉
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Britain does not have a written constitution but it does have constitution which includes magna carta, bill of rights, conventions etc. Britain also has the mother of Parliaments and the longest running stable democracy in the world. US constitution based on Greco - Roman republic. The US's hegemony of the world is unlikely to last as long as the Roman Empires but Britains influence, which outweighs its size, has endured longer than all previous empires. It is Britains flexibility that allows it to adapt and retain influence. Clearly all empirical evidence suggests the power of an unwritten constitution wins hands down!
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Britain can't touch america🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸our constitution gives all the rights not stated to the people unlike your constitution which states the people's rights and the rest is the governments rights🇺🇸🇺🇸
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The interesting thing here is the MC was about rights granted from aristocracy. The US docs were abouts rights free men bestowed upon themselves. To accept the Magna Carta is to accept governance without voice. I vote liberty. US docs win.
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Dino Marchetti wrote:
👍The interesting thing here is the MC was about rights granted from aristocracy. The US docs were abouts rights free men bestowed upon themselves. To accept the Magna Carta is to accept governance without voice. I vote liberty. US docs win.
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⚡🏀ʟєցi†ßɑʟʟєʀ🏀⚡ wrote:
England has those rights though...Britain can't touch america🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸our constitution gives all the rights not stated to the people unlike your constitution which states the people's rights and the rest is the governments rights🇺🇸🇺🇸
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YOU wrote:
Or should I say the now united kingdom.⚡🏀ʟєցi†ßɑʟʟєʀ🏀⚡ wrote:
England has those rights though...Britain can't touch america🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸our constitution gives all the rights not stated to the people unlike your constitution which states the people's rights and the rest is the governments rights🇺🇸🇺🇸
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Dino Marchetti wrote:
Well stated. 👍The interesting thing here is the MC was about rights granted from aristocracy. The US docs were abouts rights free men bestowed upon themselves. To accept the Magna Carta is to accept governance without voice. I vote liberty. US docs win.
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🔥zUntamed🔥 wrote:
And then someone will reference the nazis. It always happens.GREAT, more debates. Just watch, this'll turn religious soon.
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ϻ͞ċȵя͟ɗƖҽ wrote:
Related story. My first day of debate camp, we went around to the different things we can do. During the public forum example debate, the topic was direct democracy over representative vote. It starte with that and ended with, and I quote, "if you give a mouse a cookie, hitler gets reelected". I shit you not.🔥zUntamed🔥 wrote:
And then someone will reference the nazis. It always happens.GREAT, more debates. Just watch, this'll turn religious soon.
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MC is not about accepting governance without a voice but the exact opposite. I see no discernible difference between the rights of an American / British citizen. What liberties does US have that Britain does not? The American constitution was written by Englishmen, in a language Britain has exported worldwide and your entire legal system is base upon the British Common Law - the discusion is about merits of a written and unwritten constitution. US has hegemony of the world at present but time will tell which approach to constitution is the most durable. In the meantime whilst both countries have problems, each has a lot it can be proud of!
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