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§αʋcɛ☠BʘՏՏ wrote:
My uncle is in the NYPD and e was there, watched the tower collapse as he was driving away to (I think) help move people away. He watched it go down right behind him. The plane that hit the second one went right over his head. I can tell you, from the stories he told me, it was legit.Here comes the 9-11 nutjobs to ruin a thread. Herp explosions, derp missiles. I had firefighter brothers that went to both sites. I'd refute your dumb assertions with facts but I've found it gets worse the more you show the truthers what's wrong with their claims.
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I omitted #1 because it wasn't pertainent
2. an evil, unlawful, treacherous, or surreptitious plan formulated in secret by two or more persons; plot.
3. a combination of persons for a secret, unlawful, or evil purpose: He joined the conspiracy to overthrow the government. -
Bossini wrote:
No. Every single thing a truther has came up with has been refuted with hard facts. As I said before I will not engage in a back and forth because a truther will just dig a hole deeper and deeper and chase it's tail. But, as an example of how a typical debate goes.Mkultra, project rainbow, area 51, and plenty others initially came out with some "nut job" with a bunch of "facts" starting a conspiracy! it was long after that they were finally proven, so keeping an open mind doesnt make you dumb, a closed mind however may!
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Derp, controlled explosions! It fell down into itself. No it was a pancake collapse each floor failed individually after the previous failed. Derp, look at this video! You can see explosions. No, thats just displaced air pushing out burning contents and jet fuel. Besides have you any idea how conspicuous it would be to haul that much explosives in and attach it to so many places? Derp, it was thermite! Well no, 1 thermite doesn't really explode and 2 thermite can only burn down. Derp jet fuel can't melt steel! Your right but jet fuel + building contents can weaken steel and that is all the is needed to compromise the structure.
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§αʋcɛ☠BʘՏՏ wrote:
I thought large buildings were engineered to collapse in on themselves to avoid a possible "domino effect"Derp, controlled explosions! It fell down into itself. No it was a pancake collapse each floor failed individually after the previous failed. Derp, look at this video! You can see explosions. No, thats just displaced air pushing out burning contents and jet fuel. Besides have you any idea how conspicuous it would be to haul that much explosives in and attach it to so many places? Derp, it was thermite! Well no, 1 thermite doesn't really explode and 2 thermite can only burn down. Derp jet fuel can't melt steel! Your right but jet fuel + building contents can weaken steel and that is all the is needed to compromise the structure.
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Nice Natalie wrote:
Things go wrong?§αʋcɛ☠BʘՏՏ wrote:
I thought large buildings were engineered to collapse in on themselves to avoid a possible "domino effect"Derp, controlled explosions! It fell down into itself. No it was a pancake collapse each floor failed individually after the previous failed. Derp, look at this video! You can see explosions. No, thats just displaced air pushing out burning contents and jet fuel. Besides have you any idea how conspicuous it would be to haul that much explosives in and attach it to so many places? Derp, it was thermite! Well no, 1 thermite doesn't really explode and 2 thermite can only burn down. Derp jet fuel can't melt steel! Your right but jet fuel + building contents can weaken steel and that is all the is needed to compromise the structure.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yEuzU3LMgCA
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PbbZE7c3a8Q
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http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=1957490867030316250&ei=JspdSaLNBZa4qAObztThDw&q=steve+jones+boston
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^i haven't even watche those, but I'm guessing he's trying to prove it. Becaus YouTube videos are soooo credible.
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Haha no just ppl who were working at the twin towers and building 7 oh yeah there was three buildings that fell that day any derp answers? I keep an open mind...
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I tell you I'm not engaging in a back and forth, what do you do? Post truther videos lol. By the way I love in your first video the description.
"A sad time for his family and all those who were intimately involved in this 911 key witness's life. His testimony was/is invaluable but also abused, especially by those holding to foolish conspiracies. Idiots who are fooled by outright deceivers are responsible for harassing 911 'key' witnesses more than any other group, including the media."
Youre going to post a video that truthers have caused this man to kill himself? Nice.
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Its easy to discredit everything someone tells u! But look for urself and make a legit assumption. Mine is there could be more to the story enough said!
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kc9_cDdLsms&feature=youtube_gdata_player
This was the begining of investigations in to the (literal meaning of) conspiracy, I have heard of these techniques being tested to this day i just didnt know it began with mkultra!
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It's like MK-ULTRA, controlling your brain
Suggestive thinking, causing your perspective to change
They wanna rearrange the whole point of view of the ghetto
The fourth branch of the government, want us to settle
A bandana full of glittering, generality
Fighting for freedom and fighting terror, but what's reality?
Read about the history of the place that we live in
And stop letting corporate news tell lies to your children
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MKULTRA was exposed by a congressional hearing. Most documents were destroyed by a CIA officer before hand.
The one thing I disagree with in that definition is that a "secret" plan qualifies as a conspiracy. You just described half our military, and 90% of our intelligence operations. Those are legit, authorized "secret" operations.
Was the operation that took out Osama Bin Laden a "conspiracy"? Ooooooooo! No. It has to be outside the law I think. Therefore none of Project Rainbow, MKULTRA, Azorian/Jennifer, blah blah blah, are conspiracies.
And since a plot to fake 9/11 and alien cover-ups or invisible dead soldiers are pure fiction, they don't apply either. The term "conspiracy theory" has come to mean "delusional paranoid speculation in the absence of any credible evidence".
There you go.
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I was refering to the EXACT meaning of the word which is an unlawful evil secret that two or more pol took part in!!! Im pretty sure torturing ppl is unlawful evil and harmful.. Its not nice to put words in ppls mouths btw!
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There is a big difference between necessary top secret security (covert assassinations, locations of nuclear weapons, etc) and top secret security because the overwhelming majority of the public would be outraged that their tax dollars are funding this. I think the latter is what qualifies a conspiracy.
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conspiracy[ kuh n-spir-uh-see ]
noun pl. con·spir·a·cies.
1. the act of conspiring.
2. an evil, unlawful, treacherous, or surreptitious plan formulated in secret by two or more persons; plot.
3. a combination of persons for a secret, unlawful, or evil purpose -
Yup mkultra written all over it lol
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Bossini wrote:
So.... Area 51? Project Rainbow? Not illegal or evil.I was refering to the EXACT meaning of the word which is an unlawful evil secret that two or more pol took part in!!! Im pretty sure torturing ppl is unlawful evil and harmful.. Its not nice to put words in ppls mouths btw!
MKULTRA? Illegal? No. Evil? No. Wrong? Only in the specific way SOME of the tests were performed.
Chillax. You just like to speculate. Fine. Just don't cross the line into paranoid delusions. Like 9/11 truthers.
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Hence why the cia destroyed documents to reduce outrage! But this stuff is still going on its just wayyy above our pay grade so to speak!
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Brown🎵Note😲 wrote:
I guess you don't mind being lied to by your government? I agree that all the conspiracy nut jobs go over the line, but the fact still remains that your government has lies slithering threw the teeth. Why are they so pissed about wikileaks dude lolBossini wrote:
So.... Area 51? Project Rainbow? Not illegal or evil.I was refering to the EXACT meaning of the word which is an unlawful evil secret that two or more pol took part in!!! Im pretty sure torturing ppl is unlawful evil and harmful.. Its not nice to put words in ppls mouths btw!
MKULTRA? Illegal? No. Evil? No. Wrong? Only in the specific way SOME of the tests were performed.
Chillax. You just like to speculate. Fine. Just don't cross the line into paranoid delusions. Like 9/11 truthers.
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Your government has secrets, and these secrets are necessary.
Politicians lie.
There's a difference.
I've been all over it. Other people here have been all over it. There is no GS-16. Thanks.
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