Colours.
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During my night of solitude last night. I thought to myself, how I do I know that the colour green, is actually green?
The theory I thought of was that what if we all see the world differently? We all see different colours, textures ect.
An example would be a red shiny ball. I see the ball as red and shiny.
But someone else sees it as black and dull. But, because of the education system, that person believes that black is actually red and dull is actually shiny. So that person calls it a red shiny ball even though it's not what they actually see.Another example is a tree with green leaves. I see it as green leaves while someone else see bright purple leaves. But because they've been taught that purple is green. They call it green.
The entire thought questions what we see and whether someone else sees a complete different colour to another person and we'd never actually know or find out if this was true.
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I found this interesting anyway. I hope at least one of you guys enjoy this or whatever!
Maybe someone could tell me whether it's an offical theory? -
I have often thought about this too. Makes you think hey.
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You guys must have found my old stash.....
Not that it was anything illegal...
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I have wondered this many times, but I always confuse people when I try to explain the thought.
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✵ᎢཡཇཇᏦ✵ wrote:
Yeah... I tried to explain it as clearly as possible.I have wondered this many times, but I always confuse people when I try to explain the thought.
I struggled xDIf its a often thought, I wonder if it's an official theory then? Maybe someone more educated has put more thought into it then we have.
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I've often wondered this, but it's not like colours exist obvectively anyway, they're just the way the brain interprets different wavelengths.
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It's the same as food/anything edible,I've always wondered if people taste things the same as me.does a strawberry taste the same to me as everybody else or is it slightly different but to them their taste of a strawberry might be closer to a raspberry but the difference between the two is enough to disassociate them from each other........boom......my heads just exploded
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We are all trained to name a particular color from early on by it's name. If I took a child and told them orange was pink enough times then to them the colour orange would be called pink. The issue with colour blindness is not that they swap colours but rather they can't distinguish between the differences e.g. My friend can't tell the difference between red and green. They both look the same. At traffic lights he has to remember the light at the top means stop and the light at the bottom means go.
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Hyena wrote:
This is why it can't be proven wrong.We are all trained to name a particular color from early on by it's name. If I took a child and told them orange was pink enough times then to them the colour orange would be called pink. The issue with colour blindness is not that they swap colours but rather they can't distinguish between the differences e.g. My friend can't tell the difference between red and green. They both look the same. At traffic lights he has to remember the light at the top means stop and the light at the bottom means go.
The education system just tells us what is what. Even if they saw or tasted something different, we'd never know. -
🔰Superyan🔰 wrote:
That's not it.Hyena wrote:
This is why it can't be proven wrong.We are all trained to name a particular color from early on by it's name. If I took a child and told them orange was pink enough times then to them the colour orange would be called pink. The issue with colour blindness is not that they swap colours but rather they can't distinguish between the differences e.g. My friend can't tell the difference between red and green. They both look the same. At traffic lights he has to remember the light at the top means stop and the light at the bottom means go.
The education system just tells us what is what. Even if they saw or tasted something different, we'd never know.How could you describe a color to someone who has never seen it? It's impossible.
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Here is a good reason to prove we see colours the same. Hypothetically, if we didn't all see colours the same way then how come the same colours contrast for everyone? I mean someone could see every colour the same as me except for black which they see as pretty much the same as white. Then how could they read books since the colour difference between the writting and page would be very slight.
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☆ A〽NESTY ☆ wrote:
What's to say that they they don't also see high contrast colors in place of the ones that you see?Here is a good reason to prove we see colours the same. Hypothetically, if we didn't all see colours the same way then how come the same colours contrast for everyone? I mean someone could see every colour the same as me except for black which they see as pretty much the same as white. Then how could they read books since the colour difference between the writting and page would be very slight.
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There are loads of studies showing that the way you see colours depends on your upbringing. In Russian there are two separate words for dark blue and light blue, and Russian-speakers are faster and more accurate in discriminating different shades of blue the English-speakers, purely because their language teaches them that they are two different colour, rather than shades of the same colour
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I used to wonder this myself.
But now, I think that almost all of us see the same colors, with the exception of the occasional color blindness, and the rare individual that has a color "disorder", like seeing words in various colors.
The main reasons I think we all for the most part perceive the same colors is color matching preferences, the color visibility curve, achromatic filter effects, and the plain fact that additive and subtractive color works out for most of us very naturally...
The nerves in our eyes work the same for all of us, we know that much.
For this to go undetected, each color (frequency) of the spectrum is represented exactly once and is not repeated. Any variation of this is detected as color blindness. The idea that some subset of colors is exactly switched in the brain and isn't detected is possible, but I think that would be very rare, with repeating or missing colors much more common.
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...And thinking that Nambian or Russian blue-green vocabulary plays a role... We aren't testing vocabulary. The test seems to be based on vocabulary.
Being trained to distinguish specific color names is different from color perception. This is exactly the topic here.
Use Photoshop. Get RGB values for each color. Those values all "compute" to me. Those blue-green failures in those studies... They would show a gap in the RGB values.
I don't seem to have those gaps.
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http://mblogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2009/06/24/the-blue-and-the-green/
Think about it. Comparative spectrums match for most of us, meaning that this test of perception looks the same to most of us.
Color starts and ends at the same frequencies for most of us, so there can be no compression or expansion of the spectrum involved. Each color exactly once... Exactly switched hues would be very rare in deed!
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I have sadly had too much time thinking about this, and seeking an answer and an explanation. I can come up with nothing. This question was posed to me years ago, and I could find no logical explanation for it. What I also wanted was to know what things actually looked like. What they appeared as actually and not the way that our eyes and the retina distorts and changes them. I wanted to see what the objects actually were, and what they appeared as. You can describe it as weird, but I don't care. This is what I wanted- and never will actually get...
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Admiral May wrote:
Use your hands to actually see what things are.I have sadly had too much time thinking about this, and seeking an answer and an explanation. I can come up with nothing. This question was posed to me years ago, and I could find no logical explanation for it. What I also wanted was to know what things actually looked like. What they appeared as actually and not the way that our eyes and the retina distorts and changes them. I wanted to see what the objects actually were, and what they appeared as. You can describe it as weird, but I don't care. This is what I wanted- and never will actually get...
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The amount of times I've thought about this
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What things "look" like without our perception is actually easier to think about than how we perceive them I think.
It all depends on what method you use to detect and measure solid objects, gasses, liquids, temperatues, empty space, EM radiation, gravity, etc.
We can artificially sense these things, and define specific sensitivities and renderings to give us whatever "view" we like.
This in turn means that we have a good understanding of what the universe is, and how to measure its' properties.
The universe is very simple. Our brains, not so much. Take away human sensory perception, and we are left with cold, hard data that depends entirely on the sensor used, and how the data is presented.
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Brown🎵Note😲 wrote:
This is correct, I love data, collecting it, presenting it, ordering it, (Mis)representing it, and this is the way to accomplish seeing what things are without the distortion of our brainWhat things "look" like without our perception is actually easier to think about than how we perceive them I think.
It all depends on what method you use to detect and measure solid objects, gasses, liquids, temperatues, empty space, EM radiation, gravity, etc.
We can artificially sense these things, and define specific sensitivities and renderings to give us whatever "view" we like.
This in turn means that we have a good understanding of what the universe is, and how to measure its' properties.
The universe is very simple. Our brains, not so much. Take away human sensory perception, and we are left with cold, hard data that depends entirely on the sensor used, and how the data is presented.
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🔰Superyan🔰 wrote:
That's crazyI found this interesting anyway. I hope at least one of you guys enjoy this or whatever!
Maybe someone could tell me whether it's an offical theory? -
I've thought about this a few times.
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🔰Տuperyan🔰 wrote:
There is Bunky fuffalo, the shapeshifter in a new form🔰Superyan🔰 wrote:
That's crazyI found this interesting anyway. I hope at least one of you guys enjoy this or whatever!
Maybe someone could tell me whether it's an offical theory? -
Ʀɑƶɵʀвɑʗĸ🔥💢👣 wrote:
Lies your not the real razorback🔰Տuperyan🔰 wrote:
There is Bunky fuffalo, the shapeshifter in a new form🔰Superyan🔰 wrote:
That's crazyI found this interesting anyway. I hope at least one of you guys enjoy this or whatever!
Maybe someone could tell me whether it's an offical theory? -
Can you help me down from this pole?
What pole? -
Green is named "Green" because that is the title humans have given it. People try to complicate things a bit much...
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I have thought of it as well and have gone deeper in my thinking.
Maybe all the colors I see are unique to me. As in, if I could see what their eyes see, none of the colors I would see through their eyes match anything I ever saw.
However, this is essentially impossible to answer. So I don't bother worrying about it. As for this, just know this, we all know how to communicate so that even if we see colors differently, we still can understand language and get ideas across from one to the other. And the colors we see associated with one object are always the same so it doesn't matter. We still can agree on ome thing, if we see a bug and I ask what color, it is almost always the same what color I think it is and is what they say what color it is. So even though we might see it differently, the color for a certain object or color that our eyes register is always consistent.
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I looooove colors, and I, too, have contemplated this before. However, it wouldn't work because, like someone earlier said, colors are just different wavelengths, and our brains all function the same (in that respect, and as a generalization). If we all saw different colors, blending wouldn't work right from person to person, and paintings among other things would have very strange coloring and color agreement. And different colors suggest different emotional meanings. I don't know about you, but even if I was raised to think yellow was blue and that it meant unhappiness, I'd have a hard time feeling sad when I saw it.
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Well, I just realized that this idea of your's with someone seeing what you think k as green as purple or any other situation, is largely unlikely.
My evidence is that humans are 99% genetically the same. A few or several dozen genetic differences out of the 20,000 to 25,000 genes in the human DNA make us who we are, at least on the basic. Our bodies develop in the womb the most and during the age of infant to around 21 years old. We can't control development so there is little possibility for such a difference in what we recognize as colors compared to one another. Only an unlikely mutation could cause it. The most likely reason for color difference recognizition is being miseducated on the name of a certain general color.
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