Will you vote for Obama in '12 ?
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I'll tell you one thing, you don't destroy an economy in 8 yrs and you sure can't fix it in two. What you can do though is hold fast to the principles that made this country great and this administration is doing a terrible job at that.
Give him another term and our national religion will be Islam and it will be a crime to fly the American flag at will. He is by his own admission a Muslim first and foremost. It's a crime that our American heritage is being sacrificed for foreign policy.
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Right on, Right on
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Turn off the TV. Maybe when you listen to the facts and opinions should let them stop by your brain for some processing before they shoot right out your mouth. The problem wasn't all Bouche, the problem isn't all Obama, the problem is the mindset of the people on the bottom mixed with the politics at the top. Politicians are throwing principles out the window and changing parties just to get re-elected. Re-election is more important than progress and nothing will get better until that changes. And as for the people on the bottom, for a reason unbeknownst to me, people would rather watch reality TV for 3 hours than learn about the worlds reality for 30 minutes. I don't have the answer and neither do any of you. I do know that fighting for peace is like screaming for quiet, and the more there is of something, the less it's worth. Marinate on that.
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Since Obama hit office more and more freedoms are being taken away from us. It seems to be moving closer to a dictatorship with him overriding congress and "forcing healthcare". I'm not saying that being without healthcare is good and I'm happy to have healthcare but it's a freedom/choice we don't have anymore. Add putting us in more future debt for short term fixes (cash for clunkers) and there's no way he gets my vote
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Natedogg 👊🔨💀 wrote:
at least present facts. This conversation is on the fast track to where it always ends up, nowhere.I'll tell you one thing, you don't destroy an economy in 8 yrs and you sure can't fix it in two. What you can do though is hold fast to the principles that made this country great and this administration is doing a terrible job at that.
Give him another term and our national religion will be Islam and it will be a crime to fly the American flag at will. He is by his own admission a Muslim first and foremost. It's a crime that our American heritage is being sacrificed for foreign policy.
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He is all about government control and that is the problem. KVNK, did you just say listen to the facts and opinions? The facts are that there has been ZERO progress in any of campaign platforms that Obama stood on. He didn't bring about healthcare reform. He destroyed healthcare and then forced a socialists plan right down the peoples throats. His foreign policy consists of bowing down to every communist, socialist and Muslim nation that cries foul. Those are the facts.
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KvnK wrote:
Don't bow out now KVNK. As long as it doesn't turn into name calling then we win. Anytime politics can be discussed rationally and civilly .......the people win and democracy wins!Natedogg 👊🔨💀 wrote:
at least present facts. This conversation is on the fast track to where it always ends up, nowhere.I'll tell you one thing, you don't destroy an economy in 8 yrs and you sure can't fix it in two. What you can do though is hold fast to the principles that made this country great and this administration is doing a terrible job at that.
Give him another term and our national religion will be Islam and it will be a crime to fly the American flag at will. He is by his own admission a Muslim first and foremost. It's a crime that our American heritage is being sacrificed for foreign policy.
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Whoa this got crazy it needs it's own forum
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FAIL. I didn't say that, Christ.... I'm not happy with the ol' prez myself. What I said was to present facts, he said we'll be an Islam Nation and it will be illegal to fly the American Flag, and Obama is Muslim. I guess it's fine to say those things if that's how you feel but don't present them like they are coming out of the f'n encyclopedia, present them like it's an opinion because that's obviously all they are. Anyone who is a realist and can think rationally can see that. The problem is systematic, from the Muslim gibberish rumblings at the bottom to the Chicago politics at the top.
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And, PLEASE don't participate in the two party echochamber. "he shoved that health care plan right down our throats" is the only thing that has been played more than the f'n Black Eyed Peas in the last two years. I don't like the healthcare plan, Im not saying I do, untangle your panties. You're just doing the exact thing I originally posted, I could have read your post straIght off of the FOX NEWS ticker! Think for yourself.
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If I was American and 18 I would cause he has good ideas he gets stuff done and isn't power crazed or a complete idiot who doesn't know what he's on about.
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DJHazzer wrote:
there's no doubt the man is very intellegent. It's whether he has the marbles to get things done that is my issue with him. I think it's refreshing to have an intellectual in the White House after all the Bushisms I heard over the last 8 years. He speaks so well. Like Chris Rock says " You suppose to speak well!! Quit braggin bout shit you suppose to do!!". So far he, and the Dem party, have had a gettin' shit done problem, in my opinion.If I was American and 18 I would cause he has good ideas he gets stuff done and isn't power crazed or a complete idiot who doesn't know what he's on about.
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Overall Im disappointed with our government. And more disappointed in our nation we have been going downhill for quiet sometime yet ppl spend there time on useless mind numbing things to ignore instead of participate in the government or community. Left or right beliefs are irrelevant. The ppl who govern are not your middle class everyday person, it is those who are affluent and do not have a clue what's really affecting our nation. I'm not saying I agree with the current healthcare only because it uses money from Medicare. I'm more for insurance reform, education, and job growth so ppl can have reliable insurance they can afford.
So yeah I might vote for a non party blue collar worker as the next president. -
BellaItaliana wrote:
Rite on Bella!!!!Yeah, probably. I hate politics though. I like him for superficial reasons and they are as follows:
• He's black
• He plays basketball
• He's relatable
• He's a democrat (duh)
• He's a fantastic speaker
• He's handsome
• He made me love AmericaYeah, yeah, call me ignorant or whatever. I don't care, I still like him a lot.
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Mel T wrote:
ahhhh, refreshing. Thanks Mel.Overall Im disappointed with our government. And more disappointed in our nation we have been going downhill for quiet sometime yet ppl spend there time on useless mind numbing things to ignore instead of participate in the government or community. Left or right beliefs are irrelevant. The ppl who govern are not your middle class everyday person, it is those who are affluent and do not have a clue what's really affecting our nation. I'm not saying I agree with the current healthcare only because it uses money from Medicare. I'm more for insurance reform, education, and job growth so ppl can have reliable insurance they can afford.
So yeah I might vote for a non party blue collar worker as the next president. -
Mel T wrote:
Overall Im disappointed with our government. And more disappointed in our nation we have been going downhill for quiet sometime yet ppl spend there time on useless mind numbing things to ignore instead of participate in the government or community. Left or right beliefs are irrelevant. The ppl who govern are not your middle class everyday person, it is those who are affluent and do not have a clue what's really affecting our nation. I'm not saying I agree with the current healthcare only because it uses money from Medicare. I'm more for insurance reform, education, and job growth so ppl can have reliable insurance they can afford.
So yeah I might vote for a non party blue collar worker as the next president. -
Really kvnk, think for yourself?? The thoughts that I think (along with the majority of Americans now) just so happen to be played out everyday on Fox news and the rest of the media outlets. The point that I'm making with the health care issue is that he has a blatant disregard for the will of the people and he has proven that in just two years. He has his own socialist agenda to keep so don't come at me with the "think for yourself" crap when that issue directly effects me and my family. So do immigration policies and foreign affairs policies and environmental policies. Oh by the way, all of which dominate main stream media.
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But you are right, there is no new ground breaking political revelations to talk about. Hopefully, some of the brilliant political minds can work something up for the benefit of this great nation.
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!SoulStealer🌇🌊🔨 wrote:
hmmmm.Boo Radley wrote:
Im not gunna get into another debate about this because Obama is a failure...other countries laugh at how stupid he is...and @ nate lol yeah here we go again!SoulStealer🌇🌊🔨 wrote:
Why debate when you can resort to name calling instead?✯Deuces✯ wrote:
Ihu lol One.Big.Ass.Mistake.AmericaWell seeing a he's the only person TRYING to get things done I will vote for him again. Congress is blocking all advancement right now due to partisan bullshit. The system is broken my friends.
Of course I'm voting for Obama. Everybody forgets where we were b4 he started.
He has certainly made more progress than any conservative EVER thought he would up to this point.
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yea, really. When you come out guns blazing with the "he's a Muslim" spin and the "Illegal to fly an American Flag" spin, and the "Islam Nation" spin and the same exact wording that the media uses to brainwash people, that's what you're going to get from me, think for yourself. We all want freedom and we all want what is best for our families, we just have different opinions on how to get these things. The mainstream media is going after ratings and money, not stories, not facts, not REAL breaking news. Cable news (fox,CNN...) isn't journalism and is no longer relevant to me. The mainstream media is like the busted engine that is in the broken down car that is our government.
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Natedogg 👊🔨💀 wrote:
holy shit! You're fucking nuts, no shit talk.I'll tell you one thing, you don't destroy an economy in 8 yrs and you sure can't fix it in two. What you can do though is hold fast to the principles that made this country great and this administration is doing a terrible job at that.
Give him another term and our national religion will be Islam and it will be a crime to fly the American flag at will. He is by his own admission a Muslim first and foremost. It's a crime that our American heritage is being sacrificed for foreign policy.
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Mel T wrote:
This sounds good, but populist governments never work. Look at the situation in Greece and Spain! It's not a question of what to say 'yes' to, but it's a question of what to say 'no' to.Overall Im disappointed with our government. And more disappointed in our nation we have been going downhill for quiet sometime yet ppl spend there time on useless mind numbing things to ignore instead of participate in the government or community. Left or right beliefs are irrelevant. The ppl who govern are not your middle class everyday person, it is those who are affluent and do not have a clue what's really affecting our nation. I'm not saying I agree with the current healthcare only because it uses money from Medicare. I'm more for insurance reform, education, and job growth so ppl can have reliable insurance they can afford.
So yeah I might vote for a non party blue collar worker as the next president. -
Didn't vote for him the first time around. Won't vote for him the second time either.
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Psi I know it will not work, it is sad though our country is ran by greed for the most part. So if I had to choose I would stand by Our current president. I'd give him the support he needs and really I need to take more of a active role. There is many layers of government and maybe if we start within the community and actually care about the welfare of ppl and the nation then things could slowly change. It takes a nation of ppl to make change not just voice there opinions.
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Someone said the oil leak is Obamas fault. WOW. Watch FOX news much?
Yeah healthcare sucks! why would we want to work toward that? stupid. as well as clean energy regulation, just stupid.
Oh my god ever since Obama took office I just feel unfree, you can just feel it in the air. He is so obviously the anti-christ I mean come on!
Uhm and Sarcasm is an art. for those of you who are rallying Palin, go get-r-dun.I so miss good ole-bush. He was funny.
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I dont think america was ready for a black president BECAUSE there are many ppl who are against tht idea not saying i feel that way
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there are many people who want slaves too. and many who want to rape and steal.
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KvnK wrote:
Turn off the TV. Maybe when you listen to the facts and opinions should let them stop by your brain for some processing before they shoot right out your mouth. The problem wasn't all Bouche, the problem isn't all Obama, the problem is the mindset of the people on the bottom mixed with the politics at the top. Politicians are throwing principles out the window and changing parties just to get re-elected. Re-election is more important than progress and nothing will get better until that changes. And as for the people on the bottom, for a reason unbeknownst to me, people would rather watch reality TV for 3 hours than learn about the worlds reality for 30 minutes. I don't have the answer and neither do any of you. I do know that fighting for peace is like screaming for quiet, and the more there is of something, the less it's worth. Marinate on that.
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I admire and respect Alan Greenspan, how the Federal Reserve screwed up many issues over a long period of time that helped put the US in it's current state.
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Fuck no I'm not voting for obama the socialist for a lot of good reasons like he takes over car companies, insurance companies, banks, is an environmentalist, focuses on the wrong thing at the wrong time, tripled our debt, screwed up healthcare, fired mchrystal, his administration is radical as hell, and blames a lot of his blunders on bush. Need any more reasons?
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