Just out of curiosity...
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What are your opinions on Obama Care. I have to do a speech on it and it seems like an issue that is controversial and worth talking about.
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Obama Care = 💩👎
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Aubergine wrote:
👍👍It's a small step in the right direction but no one is willing to admit it. Most people don't even understand what it does.
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Aubergine wrote:
👍👍👍⬆⬆It's a small step in the right direction but no one is willing to admit it. Most people don't even understand what it does.
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I understand where u all are coming from. One thing really bothers me though.... From the time we are born to the time we die, we will be paying for health insurance by law. So is that putting a price on living?
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tman5200 wrote:
It's putting a price on health insurance.I understand where u all are coming from. One thing really bothers me though.... From the time we are born to the time we die, we will be paying for health insurance by law. So is that putting a price on living?
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🔥zUntamed🔥 wrote:
Which up until the point when Obama Care or something like it is passed, will be optional. When it's not optional, if u are living, u will be paying required fees ur whole life.tman5200 wrote:
It's putting a price on health insurance.I understand where u all are coming from. One thing really bothers me though.... From the time we are born to the time we die, we will be paying for health insurance by law. So is that putting a price on living?
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Bump- ik I shouldnt bump but I wanna hear other opinions for my speech.
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tman5200 wrote:
I live in Canada, where we have universal health care. It's just a little more taxes, but that extra little bit funds our health care. And trust me, it's a huge relief that if you break your wrist you don't have a huge medical bill.🔥zUntamed🔥 wrote:
Which up until the point when Obama Care or something like it is passed, will be optional. When it's not optional, if u are living, u will be paying required fees ur whole life.tman5200 wrote:
It's putting a price on health insurance.I understand where u all are coming from. One thing really bothers me though.... From the time we are born to the time we die, we will be paying for health insurance by law. So is that putting a price on living?
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Aubergine wrote:
👍👍👍👍It's a small step in the right direction but no one is willing to admit it. Most people don't even understand what it does.
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Who thinks its wrong that we should have to pay for a mexican that hopped the border shouldnt be here and then i have to pay for his broken wrist??? And i dont think the president has the power to make people pay for health care
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I'm not too educated on the subject, but the US is capitalism, and that means the government shouldn't interfere with the free market economy. Also one reason I don't agree with bailouts
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I am worried about where it stops. If you can be forced to buy health insurance, that sets precedent for the govt to force you to buy anything. Next could be sugar, corn, anything else we choose to buy today. The commerce clause gives the feds power to regulate interstate commerce, not force it.
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The system we had sucked. Sometimes small steps or even stumbles can lead you in the right direction. Refusing to walk at all never will.
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U guys think it's constitutional?
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Mackmech(addKM) wrote:
Obama Care = 💩👎
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lucky rochiano wrote:
Exactly the govt. is becoming too powerful.I am worried about where it stops. If you can be forced to buy health insurance, that sets precedent for the govt to force you to buy anything. Next could be sugar, corn, anything else we choose to buy today. The commerce clause gives the feds power to regulate interstate commerce, not force it.
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tman5200 wrote:
No. As I menrioned before, it is overstepping the commerce clause. Nowhere in the Constitution did the Framers give the govt power to force the People to buying anything.U guys think it's constitutional?
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OneThumbBastard wrote:
👍👍👍Most of the world sees health care as a basic human right. The glaring exception is the US. Why is this significant? Because, whether insured or not, every American will during his or her lifetime need some sort of medical care. Everyone.
The Affordable Care Act addresses this for millions of uninsured Americans, albeit in a less than satisfactory manner. Funny thing, the individual mandate that so many so-called "conservatives" rail against was created by GOP policy makers in the 1990s.
And, what has the GOP proposed to replace the Affordable Care Act? This:
1. Don't get sick; and,
2. If you do get sick, please die quickly.Stellar public policy for a political party that considers itself on the vanguard of the "pro-life" struggle in America.
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Some thoughts...
We've extensively studied healthcare delivery and outcomes in pharmacy school. For the price we currently pay, we have some of the worst cost effective healthcare in the world right now. We spend more than the other top countries in hc, but have similar or worse health outcomes. The difference between us and them is the universal healthcare and the culture of medicine. Ours likes to use disease care instead of preventitive care. Obamacare helps but what we really need as a country is a change in medical/lifedtyle culture.
In obamacare private health insurance will still exist, in fact the 'insurance markets' will be mostly private. Those who cant afford to buy into a private plan will be subsidized
People here need to stop using the slippery slope fallacy.
You all pay school tax, with the option to send your kids to a private school ( or have none) in both situations, u pay a mandated tax without seeing benefit, and you do it for the good of society. is this really so different?
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Aubergine wrote:
Its illegal to block someone with preexisting condition because then all the vulnerable populations would get screwed. Those who previously were uninsured but had CHD for example could get discriminated against and left facing unfair fines etc. Dont feel bad for indurance companies losing their ability to discriminate, they are standing to make the most money here ( which isnt a bad thing )But the ACA only fixes this one little thing, and a few other things. It also makes it illegal for insurance companies to charge more based solely on gender. They used to be able to charge women more for insurance because a woman MIGHT have a kid someday. That doesn't seem fair, does it? It also makes it illegal for an insurance company to refuse to cover someone.
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Aubergine wrote:
Nowhere in the constitution are they forbidden from making you buy anything, either. But in reality, we are forced to buy lots of things. Car insurance, property insurance, retirement insurance (SS), income tax, sales tax, property tax, vehicle registration tax. And a lot of us don't even get any use out of all of that, at least directly. I've paid thousands of dollars for car insurance and never gotten anything back from it.
This... I think people forget how taxed we are lol.
The argument shouldnt be 'do we need universal healthcare' it should be ' how do we achieve that.'Unfortunatly most people who dont like obamacare dont give any alternative for how to achieve uhc.
In my honest opinion, in 50 years obama will be rememered as a great president because of this act. ( even if i think he's doing a shitty job at other things like civil rights
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One thing that continuously boggles my mind is why people use 'socialism' as a negative buzz word. Socialism in healthcare is not a bad thing. It is a very good thing
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Not a fan
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I agree with ya, i think we're on the same page.
We need 3 things desperately:
1. A universal system ( or as you said, we can start with any sort of system lol)
2. A change in focus towards preventitive care
3. The rest of the world to pick up more of the bill for rNd -
For people who dont like obamas plan to institute universal coverage, how would you suggest we do it? Privately driven universal coverage is as capitalistic as you can go but people still complain its too socialized ( as if thats a bad thing )
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The ins companies need to be reined in. Seriously.
(jaimie btw)
we almost lost our house paying for sara's treatments. It doesn't take long for a refractory patient to reach that $1mil lifetime limit.. Then you are screwed cause no other ins company will touch you. Just 1 of the neupogen shots she was taking for over a week cost $1,200.
Obama care would eliminate this burden. You pay required car ins almost for life, til your too old to drive. Most people pay a life ins policy ther whole life, if they are responsible. Can't buy a house without ins.
I just dont see it as anything else. Remember what Ron Paul said in the debate? Let em die. People without ins are not always the reckless and unthinking. Its also people who have lost their ins from catastrophic illness, people who cant afford COBRA ins when they lose their job...Jaimie out
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