Vendettas makes u 30% less def. not 40%.

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p s i Jul 1, 2010

So I've been doing a lot of experiments with vendettas.

Attacking players offense will be on the left, defending players defense in the middle, wins-losses of attacking player on the right.

1) 103,870 / 128,636 / 5-15
2) 128,756 / 163,648v / 15-6
3) 150,410 / 165,376 / 10-23
4) 85,052 / 133,026v / 6/18.

The v after the defending player's name indicates that defending player was in a vendetta.
p s i Jul 1, 2010

Sorry
5) 149,214 / 128,636 / 13-3.

So the point is that in case 1) the def to attack ratio is slightly above 1.104. In case 3) it's 1.0995 and if we say the defending player is 30% weaker in case 4) it's 1.0948. Note how this fits together nicely. However if defending player really were 40% weaker than it'd be .9384. This would surely mean that the attacking player would win more than he lost. A similar pattern can be found where the defense is greater than the offense.

I encourage others to report what they see!!
p s i Jul 1, 2010

Another serious problem with the vendetta help form is that players with turf within a 1000 miles of the target or his turf aren't being used if they r physically more than 1000 miles away (see Missy jane's forum post) unless that player is the one attacking or being attacked. I have no problem with this, but the help section clearly states the opposite is true, so one of the two needs to be corrected.
HydroChaz Jul 1, 2010

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PUTZ Jul 1, 2010

Aren't levels a factor in the fight equation according nick ?
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👿Belial Jul 1, 2010

I don't think this an accurate indication of a percentage mess up p s i. The random factor seems so much more active these days than it used to be and I think even with even numbers on boht sides that the random factor itself is slanted on defense. It's obvious that the percentage has changed because I find it quite a bit easier to vs someone in a vendetta now than before.
Shake-N-Bake  Jul 1, 2010

Great info Psi! I also think the random factor seems to increase the more you beat on someone. Anyone else notice this?
whitey bulger Jul 1, 2010

Not sure what the math proves that we didn't already know.

Also, the way vendettas work over distance is that players with local turf but physically out of range (999 miles) will defend and attack with local mobsters BUT the local mobsters won't be assisted by out of range mobsters if they don't have turfs near their location.
The best way to check if someone will be useful to you in a vendetta is to go to their profile page and make sure the player isn't "greyed" out on the attack bar with me message that the player is not within range. If you get that message - that mob will not assist you in a vendetta.
Johnny O 💃 Jul 1, 2010

Whitey you 100% correct.
p s i Jul 1, 2010

Johnny O wrote:
Whitey you 100% correct.

No, no, no. The player has turf a few miles (like 400) from both the target and the other players in the vendetta. This is obviously 100% the opposite of what Nick says in the help forum. You experienced this the other day when u couldn't help punk searle in u'r vendetta. Punk has turf a few feet from u (whitey) and both of u are physically within 1000 miles of me. Clearly the physical restriction is how close u r to eachother.
p s i Jul 1, 2010

Everybody doubts the mathematician? LoL. It's not about the initial factor either. Find somebody whose defense is 30% better than u'r attack and who is in a vendetta. Hit that player 1000 times. I just about guarantee u that u'll win about 500. I've done a lot more experiments than those I listed.
p s i Jul 1, 2010

At the same time find somebody whose defense is equal to umr attack and hit them 1000 times. U'll win that also about 500 times.
p s i Jul 1, 2010

Johnny O wrote:
Whitey you 100% correct.

Also, when the player who formed the vendetta attacked a particular turf the other player was not used. But when this second player attacked that very same turf everybody was used. Shouldn't the relation be at least symmetric?
p s i Jul 2, 2010

I would really like this 2nd issue addressed because I am worthless to the peeps in germany. Basically a sitting duck.
! ! Night ! ! Jul 2, 2010

I've got a stupid question...when was the defense reduction changed to 40%?...it used to be 30% Was this whenever V's were changed to add 4 players instead of 3? Perhaps Nick changed the text but forgot to change something in the programming?
! ! Night ! ! Jul 2, 2010

p s i wrote:
Another serious problem with the vendetta help form is that players with turf within a 1000 miles of the target or his turf aren't being used if they r physically more than 1000 miles away (see Missy jane's forum post) unless that player is the one attacking or being attacked. I have no problem with this, but the help section clearly states the opposite is true, so one of the two needs to be corrected.

Whitey and I complained about this exact problem months ago right after V's started. Nick is well aware of the problem. Why it hasn't been fixed is beyond me.
Missy Jane Jul 2, 2010

There is definately a difference between what actually happens in a V versus what is stated in the help section. Having turfs in an area does not mean you can contribute health or mob to a vendetta- it seems to be purely based on physical location- this sucks as you can't help fellow mobs in the area and outcasts you from the community.... I hope it's a bug rather than working as designed.... Hopefully Nick will address this subject soon. Missy💔
p s i Jul 2, 2010

MISSY JANE wrote:
There is definately a difference between what actually happens in a V versus what is stated in the help section. Having turfs in an area does not mean you can contribute health or mob to a vendetta- it seems to be purely based on physical location- this sucks as you can't help fellow mobs in the area and outcasts you from the community.... I hope it's a bug rather than working as designed.... Hopefully Nick will address this subject soon. Missy💔

yeah, either fix the help page or the problem. But if he fixes only the help page it would give a huge disadvantage to peeps who have turfs over
1000 miles from home.
Grimjaow Jul 2, 2010

Night wrote:
I've got a stupid question...when was the defense reduction changed to 40%?...it used to be 30% Was this whenever V's were changed to add 4 players instead of 3? Perhaps Nick changed the text but forgot to change something in the programming?

thats what i always thought. From 3 members and now 4 and from 30% to 40%