The 9/11 Conspiracy Theories
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In case you haven't heard of some of the conspiracy theories about 9/11, I will describe them. One of them, also probably the most well known, is that the government destroyed the towers themselves. The reason is that the gov't of America needed a reason to invade countries in the area of Iran, Afghanistan, etc. Another is that there were terrorists with bombs already in the towers at the time of the explosions. This may be true because the heat of the jet fuel could not have burned through the steel supports, so there had to be SOMETHING to help it burn.
Post below if you know any others.
My question to you is; Do you believe any of the conspiracy theories? If so, which one and why.
Please note this is not meant to be disrespectful in any manner towards 9/11 victims.
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I want a really good debate in this thread, don't hold back your thoughts.
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Did u see this episode on Jesse Ventura conspiracy theories?
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ѢʉʂĦⅈÐʘ/A͜ⅆㅌℤⅈʘ wrote:
No, but I have seen other episodes of that show. I'll try watching it tomorrow, is it as good as the other episodes?Did u see this episode on Jesse Ventura conspiracy theories?
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Bullshit, pure bullshit.
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Jet fuel DOES burn hot enough to melt the metal.
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glman wrote:
Just stating what I've heard. And honestly, I'm kind of "on the fence" with these theories.Jet fuel DOES burn hot enough to melt the metal.
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Your first theory; why would the US want to invade Iran, etc? We haven't gained anything from the war...
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Loose Change 2nd Edition Recut - Google Video
Watch that. Nuff said -
Abbafour wrote:
I forgot to add the part about oil. If we had been successful there the oil would greatly stimulate the economy, but we were not successful and if the theories true then our own gov't killed 2,500 people for nothing.Your first theory; why would the US want to invade Iran, etc? We haven't gained anything from the war...
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🍀Add ZINGG🍀 wrote:
The WTC was unique because most of it's beams were exposed, I. E. you could see them. When the plane(s) hit the impact blew the fire resistant covering and the jet fuel burning weakened the metal just enough do that the floor fell, which created an accordion effect.glman wrote:
Just stating what I've heard. And honestly, I'm kind of "on the fence" with these theories.Jet fuel DOES burn hot enough to melt the metal.
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We wouldn't gain anything from invading Afghanistan. We don't get oil from there. Too mountainous to drill. Also, bin laden took credit for it. And the fuel doesn't have to burn through the support beams. It just has to make it hot enough to be pliable. They are holding millions of pounds of skyscraper and metal gets flexible when hot. I have never heard a conspiracy theory that makes any sense.
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tonytlj wrote:
👍We wouldn't gain anything from invading Afghanistan. We don't get oil from there. Too mountainous to drill. Also, bin laden took credit for it. And the fuel doesn't have to burn through the support beams. It just has to make it hot enough to be pliable. They are holding millions of pounds of skyscraper and metal gets flexible when hot. I have never heard a conspiracy theory that makes any sense.
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glman wrote:
Jetfuel cant burn hot enough to get to the melting point of steel.Jet fuel DOES burn hot enough to melt the metal.
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Revenge wrote:
It doesn't have to get to the melting point. It just has to get it red hot. I can make a campfire hot enough to bend steel. Jet fuel is by far more than enough to to weaken a steel support beam that is holding up a skyscraper.glman wrote:
Jetfuel cant burn hot enough to get to the melting point of steel.Jet fuel DOES burn hot enough to melt the metal.
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Usually I don't side with Glman, but in this cad he is dead on. Anybody that thinks we did this to ourselves is down right stupid. Seriously, do you think that the government really would kill not only thousands of US citizens, but knowingly put to death thousands of our own troops?as an American, the thought offends me, as a veteran of the first gulf war, the thought sickens me.
Beyond all reasonable debate, is there anybody that thinks that the government could keep this secret?
Finally, screw you for making me side with Glman.
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Abbafour wrote:
One of the unknown reasons for the war against iraq was that sadam hussein switched from the dollar to the euro in selling oil. Euro was 16% higher than the dollar. Increasing the price rate for our nation buying oil. It was like a fuck you to the american goverment. So we made up wmd to invade and restore it back to the dollar. Iran has been making similar transitions. Aswell they have extreme potential to destabilize the US and Euro economies. Their missles can sink the ships we have in the persian gulf. They can also hit any US base in iraq to afghanistan. Point is Iran will not listen to the US. So some force will b needed. I hope no war happens though.Theirs the argument iran will get a nuke and go mad a nuke israel. Personally i dont think their crazy. I say its propoganda.Your first theory; why would the US want to invade Iran, etc? We haven't gained anything from the war...
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ѢʉʂĦⅈÐʘ/A͜ⅆㅌℤⅈʘ wrote:
Omg watch this. Omg omg. U will be confused. Crazy.Did u see this episode on Jesse Ventura conspiracy theories?
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Revenge wrote:
That has nothing to do with 9/11Abbafour wrote:
One of the unknown reasons for the war against iraq was that sadam hussein switched from the dollar to the euro in selling oil. Euro was 16% higher than the dollar. Increasing the price rate for our nation buying oil. It was like a fuck you to the american goverment. So we made up wmd to invade and restore it back to the dollar. Iran has been making similar transitions. Aswell they have extreme potential to destabilize the US and Euro economies. Their missles can sink the ships we have in the persian gulf. They can also hit any US base in iraq to afghanistan. Point is Iran will not listen to the US. So some force will b needed. I hope no war happens though.Theirs the argument iran will get a nuke and go mad a nuke israel. Personally i dont think their crazy. I say its propoganda.snipped
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Demacia wrote:
Just watched up to like 10 mins. I never knew those facts. It's so clear that the government did it, either that or it was a coincidence that F16s were sent 100s of miles away and put stocks went up like crazy, it was all about oil and money. I recommend everyone watches this video.Loose Change 2nd Edition Recut - Google Video
Watch that. Nuff said -
MalAdOsteo wrote:
👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏Usually I don't side with Glman, but in this cad he is dead on. Anybody that thinks we did this to ourselves is down right stupid. Seriously, do you think that the government really would kill not only thousands of US citizens, but knowingly put to death thousands of our own troops?as an American, the thought offends me, as a veteran of the first gulf war, the thought sickens me.
Beyond all reasonable debate, is there anybody that thinks that the government could keep this secret?
Finally, screw you for making me side with Glman.
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He asked what we would have to gain so I gave him some points. Sorry if I went off topic.
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So u r saying that Obama would cover for a man that he hates (bush)? Cause in order for the theory to work, Obama has to know what happened. He is the president. He has access to any file he wants. If its true that we planned it, Obama would go after bush in a heartbeat to make himself look better.
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Revenge wrote:
True. But we had nothing to gain from 9/11He asked what we would have to gain so I gave him some points. Sorry if I went off topic.
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Mackmech(addKM) wrote:
Do you believe his advisors or anyone in the government involved would allow him to? They would do whatever necessary to cover up and loose ends. Even assasination........as it has been done beforeSo u r saying that Obama would cover for a man that he hates (bush)? Cause in order for the theory to work, Obama has to know what happened. He is the president. He has access to any file he wants. If its true that we planned it, Obama would go after bush in a heartbeat to make himself look better.
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Mackmech(addKM) wrote:
If Obama knew and that went public, that would destroy our whole country. People would want to get payback at the gov't, and America would turn in to some big war zone.So u r saying that Obama would cover for a man that he hates (bush)? Cause in order for the theory to work, Obama has to know what happened. He is the president. He has access to any file he wants. If its true that we planned it, Obama would go after bush in a heartbeat to make himself look better.
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🍀Add ZINGG🍀 wrote:
Or all the debri from the one that hit the pentagon. Where did it all go? I watch that video when I was like 16 or seventeen, at this point I'm like baylife.Demacia wrote:
Just watched up to like 10 mins. I never knew those facts. It's so clear that the government did it, either that or it was a coincidence that F16s were sent 100s of miles away and put stocks went up like crazy, it was all about oil and money. I recommend everyone watches this video.Loose Change 2nd Edition Recut - Google Video
Watch that. Nuff said -
9/11 was a very dark day in American history and we will all remember that tragity for the rest of our lives.😢 We will remember the innocent people lost that day and mourn for them every September 11th.
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Revenge wrote:
Molten steel doesn't just drip off the side of burning buildings. I've been welding steel since before I could drive. It cools back to a solid state before it can drip. What you are seeing is burning debris. And as far as the cut beams go, they probably broke under the pressure of the collapsing building. Or were cut to remove debris from people trapped underneath.tonytlj wrote:
... A freind showed me a clip of what looked to be like molten steel driping from one of the towers... And in the aftermath of the collapse the beams that support the tower seem to be cut. It kind of resembles the cut made after a demolition.Revenge wrote:
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Demacia wrote:
They cleaned it up. It was an attack on one of our most important government complexes. They didn't just let the debris sit there.🍀Add ZINGG🍀 wrote:
Or all the debri from the one that hit the pentagon. Where did it all go? I watch that video when I was like 16 or seventeen, at this point I'm like baylife.Demacia wrote:
Just watched up to like 10 mins. I never knew those facts. It's so clear that the government did it, either that or it was a coincidence that F16s were sent 100s of miles away and put stocks went up like crazy, it was all about oil and money. I recommend everyone watches this video.Loose Change 2nd Edition Recut - Google Video
Watch that. Nuff said -
Stuff it, I'm breaking form for a minute. I know I'm trying for 72 hours without posting in the forums, but all these comments by people with no knowledge whatsoever regarding industrial metal's breaking points, molten temperatures and the effects of high temperatures and unexpected (thus not engineered for) lateral and longitudinal pressures is really getting me down. I'll post below two comments that I posted on Revenge's wall, and then I will step back into silence.
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