Democracy?
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Whys is America almost always referred to as a Democracy?? When in fact it isn't and never has been a Democracy.
This confuses me because it's not just the politically ignorant who does this.....it seems to be everyone.
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It's a democratic republic
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Wrong. It is a Federal Republic
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Federal Presidential Constitutional Republic.
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Although Democracy has 2 meanings. My poit is that few people can distinguish them. One (which Tony here uses) describes a general TYPE of Government, whereas the other labels the actual FORM of Government. In an actual Democratic Republic you would not have a constitution to protect its citizens. If a law was passed by the representatives, it would be law no matter how crazy it was. Whereas on America if an unjust law is passed we are still protected by the constitution.
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"It isimportant to keep in mind the difference between a Democracy and a Republic, as dissimilar forms of government. Understanding the difference is essential to comprehension of the fundamentals involved. It should be noted, in passing, that use of the word Democracy as meaning merely the popular type of government--that is, featuring genuinely free elections by the people periodically--is not helpful in discussing, as here, the difference between alternative and dissimilar forms of a popular government: a Democracy versus a Republic. This double meaning of Democracy--a popular-type government in general, as well as a specific form of popular government--needs to be made clear in any discussion, or writing, regarding this subject, for the sake of sound understanding."
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Pantera put it right.
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tonytlj wrote:
We are a republic. Yet we have moved far from that role. We are now a police man of the world. A globalist empire.It's a democratic republic
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Revenge wrote:
tonytlj wrote:
We are a republic. Yet we have moved far from that role. We are now a police man of the world. A globalist empire.It's a democratic republic
This is also wrong. We are still a republic....it's just that the people we elect make these choices.
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Revenge wrote:
Well, policeman yes. Globalist empire, no. If you would really like to see what a globalist empire looks like, look up the United Kingdom at the peak of its power. Now THAT is a globalist empire! And it was impressive I might add.tonytlj wrote:
We are a republic. Yet we have moved far from that role. We are now a police man of the world. A globalist empire.It's a democratic republic
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We might as well be a democratic state. Most of the republic controls on the majority have been eliminated. We are a republic in name only.
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Joshua James wrote:
Thats what i meen. The more unwise men we elect into these offices. One day America wont resemble a republic. We are already on our way to abolishing the constitution and bill of rights. Say bye to the republic, and its freedom that we had.Revenge wrote:
tonytlj wrote:
We are a republic. Yet we have moved far from that role. We are now a police man of the world. A globalist empire.It's a democratic republic
This is also wrong. We are still a republic....it's just that the people we elect make these choices.
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Joshua James wrote:
..You want that?Although Democracy has 2 meanings. My poit is that few people can distinguish them. One (which Tony here uses) describes a general TYPE of Government, whereas the other labels the actual FORM of Government. In an actual Democratic Republic you would not have a constitution to protect its citizens. If a law was passed by the representatives, it would be law no matter how crazy it was. Whereas on America if an unjust law is passed we are still protected by the constitution.
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It's not whether or not we have a constitution that protects us from unjust laws or the majority attacking the minority, it ishe architecture of the separation of powers as outlined out the US constitution that makes the specific implementation of the US democratic republic unique. However over time several of the items that were specifically designed to prevent the accumulation of power to the executive branch have been either abused (the interstate commerce clause) or completely eliminated (senate appointment by state legislatures) by constitutional ammendment.
The supreme court has also been virtually rendered impotent by the sheer volume of legislation congress has managed to crank out on a yearly basis.
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It ishe = it's the
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Considering we have black ops operations all over the world in undeclared war zones. Going to war without the consent of congress, but the presidents rule. Killing and invadeing anyone who is not on our side. Creating laws for the people that erode our constituional rights. We are resembling a global empire bent on power. Now that the federal reserve has printed so much money and driven us into debt with these wars. The economy is going to crash, and our empire knows this. The economy cant be saved with the pratices we are doing right now. So in the next year or this one, a war with iran will be started to try and drag china and russia in. Both china and russia have delcared they will defend iran. The situation is no joke. The US wont back down on its power, our goverment is going to try and put us trough more wars. As the wars get started and things back home deteriate, more freedoms will be taken away. We are a empire. Just as ruthless as the English empire at its height.
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We need wise men and honest men back in our goverment.
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Except Congess authorized Iraq and Afghanistan. Kinda makes me wonder where you are getting your information.
"The Iraq Resolution or the Iraq War Resolution (formally the Authorization for Use of Military Force Against Iraq Resolution of 2002,Pub.L. 107-243, 116 Stat. 1498, enacted October 16, 2002, H.J.Res. 114) is a joint resolution passed by the United States Congress in October 2002 as Public Law No: 107-243, authorizing military action against Iraq."
Afghanistan had the AUMF resolution voted by Congress. Only one person voted against it.
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PANTERA. wrote:
Except Congess authorized Iraq and Afghanistan. Kinda makes me wonder where you are getting your information.
"The Iraq Resolution or the Iraq War Resolution (formally the Authorization for Use of Military Force Against Iraq Resolution of 2002,Pub.L. 107-243, 116 Stat. 1498, enacted October 16, 2002, H.J.Res. 114) is a joint resolution passed by the United States Congress in October 2002 as Public Law No: 107-243, authorizing military action against Iraq."
Afghanistan had the AUMF resolution voted by Congress. Only one person voted against it.
Thats sort of the point (ignoring the fact that lies were knowingly told to congress to get them to approve it) still nobody we elected was willing to do what was right.
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That was to stay and try and build a nation with our views. Forced with our military presence. At first the war was to get bin laden. As the war carried on the scale of it got larger. Our focus to aprehend bin laden and get out was lost. So we occupied iraq and afghanistan and decided to try and force our views into the countrys. Example leads more than force of arms. Marching around with flag accross our chest in a war against "terroism" isint doing anything. Terroism is just as prominent as drug traficking. The war on drugs is a load of shit. The war on terroism is a war that cant end.
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It's a shell game. Call the top of the shell whatever you want- under it all, the machine that directs it, is a plutocracy.
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ΘиэЂuмвBαsтαя₫ wrote:
This is the funniest thread I've read in quite a while. To answer the OP's original question, the Fedral government of the USA is a representative democracy, as are most forms of government in the USA subordinate thereto.
Thanks for the chuckles.👍
You would be right to describe the republic as a a type of representative democracy, but to call it one is a different thing.
Democracy can be used as both an adj and a noun. In America we use democratic properties, but have a constitution to protect us from tyranny. In an actual representative democracy (by definition) majority rules no matter what. Congress in that case could pass a law saying you are required to drive a purple car, and that law would stand.
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BryGuyH wrote:
That's not what was said, he said we went to war WITHOUT CONSENT from Congress, which was totally false. Some of you should go read into the Wikileaks released files. So many of those "lies" turned out to be true but not reported by the media.PANTERA. wrote:
Snip.
Thats sort of the point (ignoring the fact that lies were knowingly told to congress to get them to approve it) still nobody we elected was willing to do what was right.
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PANTERA. wrote:
Are those drone attacks in yemen, and pakistan consttutional? Was it discussed and passed in congress to kill in foreign lands that we are violating? Oh, no we are US of A we can do whatever we feel fit.BryGuyH wrote:
That's not what was said, he said we went to war WITHOUT CONSENT from Congress, which was totally false. Some of you should go read into the Wikileaks released files. So many of those "lies" turned out to be true but not reported by the media.PANTERA. wrote:
Snip.
Thats sort of the point (ignoring the fact that lies were knowingly told to congress to get them to approve it) still nobody we elected was willing to do what was right.
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They use the "CIA" in these drone attacks, which isn't part of the military, so no Congresional approval is needed, I'm not saying its right. Libya was no doubt a huge violation of the Constitution due to no Congressional approval, so was the OBL mission. But hey, politicians don't give a shit about the Constitution, look at the Patriot Act!
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PANTERA. wrote:
Any measure of killing in foreign lands needs approval. I'm sure it would have been approved anyways. As you said congress approved the war in Iraq and Afghanistan. Makes me sad sometimes.They use the "CIA" in these drone attacks, which isn't part of the military, so no Congresional approval is needed, I'm not saying its right. Libya was no doubt a huge violation of the Constitution due to no Congressional approval, so was the OBL mission. But hey, politicians don't give a shit about the Constitution, look at the Patriot Act!
Besides the patriot act is one of many unconstitutional laws to come. Look at the NDAA that passed. The loss of freedom in the name of security to prevent terroism. They can pass whatever they want if the people don't react. I'm sure if government out lawed the super bowl their would be chaos in the streets.
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