Resetting Skill Points
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§αʋcɛ☠BʘՏՏ wrote:
The game isn't broken or bad. One aspect of it is. And the suggestions and feedback forum is here so that we, the players, can communicate to Nick. And yes, that includes complaints. So if you don't like that I suggest you leave this forumIt's his game. If it's so horrible that someone's put points into atk/def than a resets isn't so bad. If the game is so broken and bad and you disagree with it, he's also not holding you hostage, you can leave.
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ßelial wrote:
Why should anyone NEED a warning? The points should be removed, not left in the game for new players to waste skills on. I was lucky, I came on the forums first thing when I joined and saw a message saying don't invest in them.You guys want to talk unfair? Here's one for you. When I started playing there was nothing in the forums saying not to buy these points. As a matter of fact they used to say we should get them. I was here for two months before their lack of usefulness became apparent. Now I bought my way out of the issue. Why should you get a free ride when you were given a hell of a lot more warning all around you than I ever was? Funny thing is not once have I ever bitched about the points I wasted. Just used what I have to solve the problem. No less should be expected of the rest of you. To do a stat reset would be unfair to those that have already solved their own mistakes themselves.
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Mr. Newton wrote:
Lol it would be hillarious if the first thing new players see when they join is a big message saying "Don't invest in attack and defense. They're useless"@mystery
You know that the majority of people who get a new game don't go looking on the forums first thing. When you start out you don't know be ayse the in game help section does not warn you about that. -
LIONFURY wrote:
Nothing's broken. The pints do exactly what they say they're supposed to do.§αʋcɛ☠BʘՏՏ wrote:
The game isn't broken or bad. One aspect of it is. And the suggestions and feedback forum is here so that we, the players, can communicate to Nick. And yes, that includes complaints. So if you don't like that I suggest you leave this forumIt's his game. If it's so horrible that someone's put points into atk/def than a resets isn't so bad. If the game is so broken and bad and you disagree with it, he's also not holding you hostage, you can leave.
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ßelial wrote:
👆👆👆👆 what he said (except for the bit about about the forum as there was plenty of that I just didn't look). 👍👍👍👍You guys want to talk unfair? Here's one for you. When I started playing there was nothing in the forums saying not to buy these points. As a matter of fact they used to say we should get them. I was here for two months before their lack of usefulness became apparent. Now I bought my way out of the issue. Why should you get a free ride when you were given a hell of a lot more warning all around you than I ever was? Funny thing is not once have I ever bitched about the points I wasted. Just used what I have to solve the problem. No less should be expected of the rest of you. To do a stat reset would be unfair to those that have already solved their own mistakes themselves.
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@Belial
Yes broken is the wrong word for it. But although the points do what they are supposed to, it is completely inadequate for the current state of the game. Yes, it might work if people had 5-10 person mobs but with the mob sizes now, they need to be removed. I fail to understand why you always seem to stick up for the current att/def point system. -
LIONFURY wrote:
Because changing in any way at this point creates unfairness. If you remove them I have 300 union vested points. If you make them worth more players that didn't invest in them will be punished by their own intelligence. If you allow a reset it isn't fair to us players that spent hundreds of dollars already to make up for it. No matter how you spin it, the only fair way is to leave them be@Belial
Yes broken is the wrong word for it. But although the points do what they are supposed to, it is completely inadequate for the current state of the game. Yes, it might work if people had 5-10 person mobs but with the mob sizes now, they need to be removed. I fail to understand why you always seem to stick up for the current att/def point system. -
ßelial wrote
Maybe you will be refunded in don points for extra skill points bought, and if you need more after the reset, you have all this extra don points to buy more plus the extra for whatever your heart desires 💛
Because changing in any way at this point creates unfairness. If you remove them I have 300 union vested points. If you make them worth more players that didn't invest in them will be punished by their own intelligence. If you allow a reset it isn't fair to us players that spent hundreds of dollars already to make up for it. No matter how you spin it, the only fair way is to leave them be
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LIONFURY wrote:
The problem is there isn't anything broken, if the atk/def bothers you so there is a solution, reset. What your whining about is you want a solution that doesn't punish you at all for a mistake you (nearly everyone else, including me also.) made. Why should there be a free pass on mistakes?§αʋcɛ☠BʘՏՏ wrote:
The game isn't broken or bad. One aspect of it is. And the suggestions and feedback forum is here so that we, the players, can communicate to Nick. And yes, that includes complaints. So if you don't like that I suggest you leave this forumIt's his game. If it's so horrible that someone's put points into atk/def than a resets isn't so bad. If the game is so broken and bad and you disagree with it, he's also not holding you hostage, you can leave.
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@SauceBoss
Might surprise you, but I didn't make the mistake. It shouldn't be a mistake to put points in a skill. -
Ok ok, bare with me on this, what if (skill) points were a category including eng and sta, and in addition to skill points, you got (war) points to apply to atk and def. Obviously they would come in fewer numbers at different intervals, maybe every fourth or fifth level. Still would have to make them worth something. Maybe 1 atk point = .1% atk increase sort of scale.
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fizzone wrote:
Too late for such a big changeOk ok, bare with me on this, what if (skill) points were a category including eng and sta, and in addition to skill points, you got (war) points to apply to atk and def. Obviously they would come in fewer numbers at different intervals, maybe every fourth or fifth level. Still would have to make them worth something. Maybe 1 atk point = .1% atk increase sort of scale.
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I don't think the game is broken but not ideal either. The game does mislead to think that attack/defense have a purpose. Why would att/def skill be hidden? I do believe that it was supposed to a greater effect the current state. The question to ask is if nick has the courage to change the system? Will the game gain additional players? Finally, are the exiting player afraid of change?
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As I & several others have already stated, they aren't broken. I'm sure they had more of an effect when the game was new & mobs were small. I've already posted the % issue elsewhere so dig up one of those threads for that.
@Mr. Newton, those players have no one to blame but themselves.
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To change does not mean something must be broken. It is still a question of courage and some do not have it. The game is far from ideal setting.
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Nobody read my other idea??
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LIONFURY wrote:
Actually I have a lawyer friend that's been playing this game and purchased points and used them for attack and defense. He says our best bet would be to file a class action lawsuit since we paid for something that's essentially a scam to get more money without any benefit. I'm not the best person to talk about this but I'll point the thread out to him and let him chime in on his ownI think Nick likes the money he gets from people buying skill points to make up for the ones they wasted. Only possible reason he wouldnt have fixed it by now. In every other game, Att/def are a percentage increase of your totals, so that's what new players expect them to be here. Personally im for changing ATt/def to percentage increase, but I understand how it could unbalance the game.
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Noghri_ViR wrote:
Wouldn't work as attack and defense give exactly what they said they would.LIONFURY wrote:
Actually I have a lawyer friend that's been playing this game and purchased points and used them for attack and defense. He says our best bet would be to file a class action lawsuit since we paid for something that's essentially a scam to get more money without any benefit. I'm not the best person to talk about this but I'll point the thread out to him and let him chime in on his ownI think Nick likes the money he gets from people buying skill points to make up for the ones they wasted. Only possible reason he wouldnt have fixed it by now. In every other game, Att/def are a percentage increase of your totals, so that's what new players expect them to be here. Personally im for changing ATt/def to percentage increase, but I understand how it could unbalance the game.
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B. I'm sure your years of law school make you quite the authority to talk about this. Could you remind me what school you went to?
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Law knowledge isn't necessary wen you're talking common sense. Since the item does what it's supposed to and since the industry standard for these games as far as attack and defense is the same your case would hold no water.
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ßelial wrote:
But they don't and if they actually did something then we wouldnt be having this discussion. Once again this is just you trying to stay ahead of everyone else instead of making the game betterLaw knowledge isn't necessary wen you're talking common sense. Since the item does what it's supposed to and since the industry standard for these games as far as attack and defense is the same your case would hold no water.
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Noghri_ViR wrote:
Even if they did sonething I'd be ahead of everyone else. Resetting points so people can exploit and ruin game balance isn't good for twßelial wrote:
But they don't and if they actually did something then we wouldnt be having this discussion. Once again this is just you trying to stay ahead of everyone else instead of making the game betterLaw knowledge isn't necessary wen you're talking common sense. Since the item does what it's supposed to and since the industry standard for these games as far as attack and defense is the same your case would hold no water.
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A lawsuit, seriously? Geez. 😒 The points do exactly what they say they do. If someone was actually unsure of how they work, there is information about them all over.
{Begin sarcasm} But no, it would be better to file & lawsuit & take money away from improving the game because someone was confused & didn't attempt to find the answer before spending money on them. 😒 {/sarcasm}
I'd be surprised if you had many people in that class action, since I doubt that many people spent bought don points to increase attack & defense.
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Lol now we are talking lawsuits? Cmon. And yes, when you put points into atk and def they do do something, they add 1 to your attack or defense. It's not like it's advertising something it's not doing. It just turns out 1 point isn't much at all in this game.
Just because you can sue doesn't mean you've got a case. You can file a suit for just about anything, the lawyers love it because they still get paid even if the suit is BS. Also, the only winner in a class action is the lawyer.
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Sorry, to the defenders here, but the points for attack and defense are a bit deceptive and from what I have read going back 2 years in the forums, have consistently created confusion. It seems at one point players were even advising others to put points into attack and defense. A Tom Hagen suggested this to a person who was losing fights.
I can't say that there is an easy fix for this given the money some have spent, but to pretend it is not a problem because it is addressed unoffically in the forums (everything else is explained on the help page!) is, I think a little off.
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It obviously needs to be changed if it is truely worthless, or given less prominance or cost much less, unless of course it is there for some other reason besides a shank replacement.
People on this forum have consistently asked for transparency on this issue and have recieved only answers from other players.
I will continue to play the game and live with the mistake I have made (as Life often requires). I just hope this get fixed. I don't even mind if it is not fixed for me, but for incoming turfs, I mean players.
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Not broken, just confusing at first.
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It isn't "truly worthless" as stated before it adds 1 point to your atk/def, 1 point just isn't worth alot. There may have been confusion in the very beginning but there is no confusion whatsoever right now.
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I personally would like to see some kind of adjustment, something the made them MORE useful, but wouldn't
T completely change the game.As far as that not being fair, you could always buy skill point and use them on attack defense. It's no different then players who hopped to a city that later got an airport, it sucks, but changes to games happen. -
How about we just remove the entire featur? Just take the options away along with the points anyone wasted in them
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