Hey Nick, Update Suggestions
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I was reading what you posted in my thread.
I agree with you that p2p transactions would be good for the game. I don't think that using cash is a good idea becasue top players will dominate.
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I also don't think that there is anything that you can do about mule accounts. Everyone in the game has the same option to go to apple to buy another device and do the same thing. I don't know how you would even detect that this was happening.
I do agree with the fact that that there needs to be more weapons for atk added. I think it is unfair that I cannot fight players of my own stature because there is no way that I could possible win.
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Hopefully you will reply to this topic
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cupcake wrote:
I also don't think that there is anything that you can do about mule accounts. Everyone in the game has the same option to go to apple to buy another device and do the same thing. I don't know how you would even detect that this was happening.
The fact that there are thousands of families/friends out there who have access to multiple devices at the same time...or at least the ability to coordinate in-game is the main reason why players with multiple accounts can not truly be controlled. How can you ever truly say that an account is or isn't being controlled by real-life person?
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Not to mention that the advantage that is gained because someone has the money to afford to buy an extra iPhone or iTouch is no different than the advantage gained because someone has the money to buy Don Points. They are both advantages over the "have not" players.
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Night wrote:
Not to mention that the advantage that is gained because someone has the money to afford to buy an extra iPhone or iTouch is no different than the advantage gained because someone has the money to buy Don Points. They are both advantages over the "have not" players.
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So nick are you saying that you are going to ban Don Points becasue you as a developer are muling the players that can buy/afford points?
I agree with Night that every player is able to go and buy another device, just as every player has the option to buy don points.
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Cupcake, love the idea you're proposing but the matter of fact that some people have multiple devices with access to this game, does not seem to help the rest of us that only have one. Your suggestion of gaining don points instead of exp points, is of a good one worth considering, BUT, you talk about people with money dominating by buyin out don points. Who's to say that they cannot just buy another device and use it to thief advantage thus, not only defeating your arguement of people with money dominating, but saving them money as they can just attack thier selves as much as they please.
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Primo I was saying about people with cash meaning ingame cash, Some players are unable to "drive" to other places to get prime locations. So their ingame cash flow will not be sufficient enough to compete with people like myself with turf in heavily poplulated areas, who have alot of cash flow. Earning Points would be something that any player could do equally regaurdless of location.
As for the players with multiple devices. Anyone can take from their alternate accounts. As for them attacking themselves that is what I was saying about using 3 stamina to fight and gaining Points dependeng on percentage of the defendeing player to you.
Nothing is full proof with anygame. All im saying is their will always be people with alt's and nothing that the devs can do about it. Not to mention I still cant see how it is bannable when anyone can do it.
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You cant create an online iPhone/Pod game and tell people with several devices that they aren't allowed to use them to thier advantage. Nor can you ban members for doing this when any player has to option to have a second account.
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this is funny coming from...
a) cupcake who has thrived in a community of players who have mule accounts, benefiting from their protection paid and unlimited ability to drop turfs. who dropped a bunch of new turfs in the 90+ range, don points abound.
b) night, who pretends his mule is a relative. his family members must alert him at 4am when attacked and he messages immediately.
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don points are great. they pay for the game and updates, and everyone wants them and they are fairly available to everyone.
but you kids are useless. I understand you don't want to be regulated, who wouldn't want an unfair advantage? but you guys haven't taken notice to the fact that the only ones vocalizing why it's great to cheat are the ones who are, or aiding and benefiting from such players? and to have night suggest to me once I take a trip to my local apple store and purchase a secondary device so I too could have a shiny mule of my very own...
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Once again...I will state that it's funny how people claim that others are "cheating" whenever they have no proof of such accusations. Muling is not cheating...muling is purely something that the developers are currently discouraging, because they believe that is overly unfair to other players. No where in the rules of the game does it say that you can't work together with friends/family to benefit each other. In fact, I imagine that cooperation between players is encouraged...as much as creating enemies.
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And yes...Don points are great. I myself have bought quite a few. However, I challenge anyone to provide an argument that shows me that buying Don points does NOT provide an unfair advantage over players who have not bought Don points...thereby showing that those who have money will typically always thrive in these environments...and the same goes with players/families who have multiple devices in their possession.
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I think mamatek and others are completely missing the point of the arguments here. I will use as many options as I can within the bounds of the rules of the game to benefit myself in order to succeed as much as I can...whether that be buying Don points or coordinating with the multiple devices that my family owns. But the point is that none of that is truly "cheating" and should not be punished for players that utilize those tactics. If the developers did not want players coordinating with multiple devices/accounts...then they should have restricted that within the game itself. They created this game on a system where the chance of a player having access to mutliple devices is pretty high. If the developers and community don't want "muling" to be an option in the game...there should be something within the game itself that prevents that.
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mama tek wrote:
and to have night suggest to me once I take a trip to my local apple store and purchase a secondary device so I too could have a shiny mule of my very own...
So you're willing to spend an excesive amount of money on Don points...but you're not willing to drop an equal (or possibly lesser) amount of money on a new device...what's the logic here?
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mama tek wrote:
a) cupcake who has thrived in a community of players who have mule accounts, benefiting from their protection paid and unlimited ability to drop turfs. who dropped a bunch of new turfs in the 90+ range, don points abound.
b) night, who pretends his mule is a relative. his family members must alert him at 4am when attacked and he messages immediately.
I don't pretend that my family members have devices of their own...it's a pure fact. If you would like to talk to my wife or kids about their devices/accounts...I'll be happy to put you in touch with them.
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Night wrote:
I think mamatek and others are completely missing the point of the arguments here. If the developers and community don't want "muling" to be an option in the game...there should be something within the game itself that prevents that.
night, this is what you're not understanding. mules are not "discouraged," they are NOT ALLOWED. they devs don't want mules. the "if" does not belong in that statement. however there IS something that prevents that: it's called regulation. mule accounts get banned. player activity gets frozen. your family gets their fun devices back which they never get to use since daddy started playing turf wars.
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Ok. Point here don points CHEAP. £2.99 even. iPod touch £169. Arugment sort multiaccounters are dirty spoilt rich arses who arnt willing to put in enough effort to win at the game without taking a cheaters way
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you should be tremendously excited about vendetta and being able to take good citizens like me out. maybe that shit would be launched if the devs didn't have to dedicate time and energy in chasing down multiple account fucktards such as yourself. ironic since these are the very same developments your don points were spent on.
you are a master rationalizer, a persuasive liar, and the first person in Norwalk to rat out which players had which accounts to save your own hide. but at the end of the day, Emilio has got to go.
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but this is where you say it's coincidence your wife, Emilio always maintains that perfect minimum 10% influence from you, has about 1800 less mob members, a stunningly low win/fight ratio, but is only about 10 levels behind you. and in spite of such poor stats, repeatedly allows herself to have all new turfs be captured by you over and over again, huh? terrible husband or terrible liar. you choose.
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You tell him mama trek
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mama tek wrote:
No...the problem here is that the developers have stated that multiple accounts are acceptable...but that "muling" is not. However, where do you draw the line...what truly defines "muling"...how much activity do my family members have to participate in the game in order to allow them to not be considered "mules". My wife and kids use their accounts...but don't obsess about the game like I do.night, this is what you're not understanding. mules are not "discouraged," they are NOT ALLOWED. they devs don't want mules. the "if" does not belong in that statement. however there IS something that prevents that: it's called regulation. mule accounts get banned. player activity gets frozen. your family gets their fun devices back which they never get to use since daddy started playing turf wars.
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And, just like any group that joins together...they choose to help the main account (me)...and in exchange, I provide them protection from other larger players that might threaten them...hmmm...that sounds a lot like most guilds I know.
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Superyan wrote:
Ok. Point here don points CHEAP. £2.99 even. iPod touch £169. Arugment sort multiaccounters are dirty spoilt rich arses who arnt willing to put in enough effort to win at the game without taking a cheaters way
Spending $2.99 on Don Points will get you very little advantage. However, a player spending over $100 on Don points (like someone like Mamatek) is a HUGE advantage...and is about equal to the cost of an iTouch. So I'm guessing you're calling all the top players who've bought that many Don points dirty spoilt rich kids as well? You obviously need a life lesson here...because there are thousands of families out there that have multiple iPhones...or an iPhone and iTouch.
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No. And people who spend £100 on a game are spoilt in my view. And you are muling with accounts. Your not in a guild! Maybe a guild where you attack and capture your own members! Your covering up you crappy multiable accounts! Ok I will be a saddo and buy another iPod and use that to take you out and claim it's my mum playing.
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mama tek wrote:
The problem is...the time and effort should have been spent prior to the release of the game, because the developers should have understood their market and realized that players would have access to multiple accounts. I played in a game previously to Turf Wars called Loot Wars, for over a year (almost from the inception of the iPhone/app system)...where the same gripes were made by players who only had access to one account.you should be tremendously excited about vendetta and being able to take good citizens like me out. maybe that shit would be launched if the devs didn't have to dedicate time and energy in chasing down multiple account fucktards such as yourself. ironic since these are the very same developments your don points were spent on.
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However, on there, the developers dealt with the issue in-game and didn't have to worry about banning accounts, because they knew that it was hopeless to try and track the hundreds of players who were using multiple accounts.
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mama tek wrote:
You can argue with me all you want...but when you start calling me a liar, I get strongly offended. Every argument I've brought to the table here is truth...and you will just have to deal with the fact that your arguments don't hold up against what I'm saying. But don't you dare call me a liar...because then in fact, you are lying yourself. And if the developers want to ban players who are not cheating and are following the rules set out in the game...then that's their choice, I suppose...but it doesn't make it right. Heck, if I didn't even visit the forums (which is not required to play this game), I would have no idea what "muling" even was.you are a master rationalizer, a persuasive liar, and the first person in Norwalk to rat out which players had which accounts to save your own hide. but at the end of the day, Emilio has got to go.
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mama tek wrote:
but this is where you say it's coincidence your wife, Emilio always maintains that perfect minimum 10% influence from you, has about 1800 less mob members, a stunningly low win/fight ratio, but is only about 10 levels behind you. and in spite of such poor stats, repeatedly allows herself to have all new turfs be captured by you over and over again, huh? terrible husband or terrible liar. you choose.
As I stated, my other family members do NOT play as obsessively as I do...but they do enjoy playing with me and helping me out, because they know that I do obsess about the game. And, I wouldn't call that a terrible husband, but a wonderful family that supports their husband/father's hobbies.
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Obviously I did not have to come to the forums and out myself and my family for using multiple accounts to help each other out...I chose to do so because I'm sick of all the complainers and whiners out there (who obviously only have one account...so I really don't blame them for complaining). However, I would really like Nick or another developer to come on here and address the issues that I've brought up...and provide actual sound arguments (if possible) to the reasons I've brought up of why banning multiple account users is wrong.
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Superyan wrote:
No. And people who spend £100 on a game are spoilt in my view. And you are muling with accounts. Your not in a guild! Maybe a guild where you attack and capture your own members! Your covering up you crappy multiable accounts! Ok I will be a saddo and buy another iPod and use that to take you out and claim it's my mum playing.
That's fine...I just wanted to make it clear that you were calling many of the players in this game spoilt...because I'm betting there are quite a few who've spent over $100 on Don Points.
Regarding buying another device...you are correct...you have every right to do that...just like every other player in this game in the entire world...just like every player has the ability to buy $100 worth of Don Points. You've only proving my point even more.
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